figure 8 puffers

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i found some at the lfs for $13...

they were like 2 inches long.. kinda fat... very interesting looking..

sifting the gravel for food i guess..

just wondering how big they grow .. breeding possibility etc.

it said ''need salt'' on the glass of the tank..

any info would be great
 
If you're a newbee to fishkeeping, don't try puffers yet. They require special diet. They are brackish which means that you will have to closely monitor salt levels with a hydrometer, pre-mix your qater for changes. When they get an illness, you have to be especially careful about what you use. They cannot tolerate cycling. Their water needs to be perfect. Puffers are reccommended to have 50% weekly water changes. LFS's often don't know which puffer they have. They know nothing about their care. They will need a species only tank. They are very aggressive and will shred if not kill anything else you put in with them (with a few exceptions)

If your not a novice, I reccommend The Puffer Forum website for reliable info.

Kim
 
again kim, this site suffiently covers bw puffers. leck, look at the pinned articles in the oddball section for info on bw setups and on puffers in general. Figure 8s are indeed bw puffers. i personally would recommend starting your venture into puffer land with fw dwarf puffers. keep in mind the needs of a figure 8, the food (they will not eat freeze dried or flake, only live or frozen), the cost of salt (and learn the right type of salt), etc. do a lot of research first.
 
MY puffer enjoys the frezze dried bloodworms that is the only thing he will eat other than shrimp an snails
 
im not a 'novice fishkeeper'

ive just never had puffers, and thought id ask about them before i consider buying them..

at the store i work at, we have dwarf puffers.. they arent too exciting.. i dont find them difficult to maintain..

i will read around about them..
 
When most people have a question, they don't look at the pinned topics. If he had, he wouldn't be asking these questions.


Kim
 
Thats not very friendly J/K :huh: ! And I have to agree with MAM that you seem to always be advertising the puffer forum. Sorry, and I'm not trying to bash you :no: but give constructive critism to stop you getting flamed maybe later on. :/
 
when most people ask a question, it is answered, and not brushed off with a snobby remark..

congrats.. youve ruined the puffer forum for me alrdy !
 
Hi leck85

Please don't let some of the previous responses sour you away from a great wealth of knowledge on some wonderful fish. I'm sure folks were trying to direct you to a good source of info that they themselves may not have been able to provide, but as pointed out, you have already found a good source right here.

As a bit of a puffer nut I have read quite a bit about any species of puffer I can, but not having kept Figure 8's myself I can only give you what I have learned so far (I'm sure you will be hearing some first hand info from Fig. 8 keepers soon).

The Figure 8 puffer Tetraodon biocellatus is generally considered a Brackish water species, the reason I say generally is there are still some who swear they are a FW species. From what I have learned so far the Tetraodon biocellatus live the bulk of their adult life, in the wild, in waters with a Sg of around 1.005 (which is low end Brackish) and migrate upriver to FW to spawn. The fry are born in the FW rivers and streams and as they mature they work their way back downstream into the BW. Most of the original specimens collected were juveniles so of course were collected in FW, which led to them first being identified as a FW species. Since that time most folks are starting to agree to them really belonging in BW, due in no small part to dedicated aquarists who have reported keeping Fig 8 puffers in BW tanks for 15+ years, while I have yet to hear of one living in a FW tank for more than 5 years.

As puffer species go, the Figure 8 would IMO rank at the lower end of the scale when it comes to aggression, but that being sait they are still puffers and are NOT recomended for a "community" tank. Puffers will for the most part only eat live (or frozen) foods including anything with a shell. Their teeth (really bony plates) are designed for chewing through clams, shrimp, crayfish, muscles, cocles, etc. and because of their specialized teeth they MUST have these shelled foods or their constantly growing teeth will eventually interfere with them eating and will have to be trimmed manually (this topic I'll save for later). With teeth made for chewing shells even a little nip could be devestating to a tankmate, which is why they are usually recomended for species only tanks....well that and some of them can get nasty at times. Each puffer has it's own personality, from wuss to psycho, and everywhere in between.

The Fig 8 puffer will get to about 3 inches in size, but they are a messy fish (as are most puffers) that create a large bioload in a tank. The usual recomendation for Fig 8's is 20 gals/puffer, but I have read of folks keeping 1 in a ten, but that was with twice weekly water changes. Fig 8's are fairly tolerant of any Ph, as long as the water is fully cycled and virtually chemical free (puffers are scaleless and highly sensitive to ammonia & nitrites). For adding "a little salt", this is another thing about some lfs that burns me, vague instructions. You really need to use a marine mix, rather than aquarium salt, for the added minerals and stuff :blink: that the puffers need to help process oxygen (for a better explanation check with some of our BW fish keepers) and you will need a Hydrometer to check the Sg (around 1.005 is most often recomended). And lastly as to breeding posabilities, good luck, there are no differences between male and female Fig 8's that have been confirmed to my knowledge. You may get lucky and get a breeding pair (I'm sure the puffers can tell the difference) but the fry are norotiously hard to rear due to their tiny size and trouble finding small enough live foods.

Well I have blathered on long enough, but as a puffer owner I highly recomend setting up a puffer palace of your own and getting hooked like the rest of us.

HTH
:D
 
I really like mine. The thing you've got to watch for if you get one is disease or parasites. Mine had parasites when I got him(her). A little coppersafe worked but I had to do quick water changes once it's behaviour changed because they are sensitive to medication. I've got the salt at 1.008 and fluctuate it from around 1.005-1.01.

If you set up a brackish aquarium be prepared to do some maintainance becuase there are no algae eaters or plants that can thrive in it. After the tank is completely cycled be prepared to spend a week watching your fish closely and be prepared to take emergency action. You really don't want to get too attached to your fish for a few weeks if you know what I mean.

I don't have to worry about leftover food(because there never is any) but I do have to watch over-feeding. They will eat everything in the tank to the point of fatal constipation. It would be no fun to spend so much effort on a fish just to kill it with blood worms.
 

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