dissect it and check the fat content. I mean this is one of the worse ways to verify the overall health of a fish. Talk about mis-information.Here are the fish that are going to die because of their terrible diet
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dissect it and check the fat content. I mean this is one of the worse ways to verify the overall health of a fish. Talk about mis-information.Here are the fish that are going to die because of their terrible diet
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What do you mean?dissect it and check the fat content. I mean this is one of the worse ways to verify the overall health of a fish. Talk about mis-information.
I have thought about this, and I do know what you mean. You obviously continually dissect your fish to check that their diet is correct. For me, a prefer them to be swimming in the tank.dissect it and check the fat content. I mean this is one of the worse ways to verify the overall health of a fish. Talk about mis-information.
Is this an old fish keepers myth then ? I have heard of feeding beef heart for years and until just now have never heard anything bad about this practice. I had piranhas on two occasions and fed them beef heart. They devoured it with relish and thrived while I had them.To me, this is the worst advice I have seen in a long time. Fish will eat meat, but they are incapable of digesting animal fats. It's why aquarists before easy air travel for seafood used to use cow, and goat heart meat - they are the leanest organs in a mammal's body, so the fish can get protein from them. An average muscle from a mammal is too fatty to be of much value.
It's like the people who feed their dogs on zero meat diets - just not sensible.
I'm sorry to be so harsh, but there are many beginners on the forum who might jump on this as a great idea, and it could do real damage. Undigested food pollutes water. It's only benefit is to creatures that feed on ammonia.
Heart is the only meat lean enough to work. It was used as a substitute for better foods in the days before inland people could get fresh fish or seafood. It was a very cleaver improvisation, but somehow, it became an article of faith for many in the hobby.Is this an old fish keepers myth then ? I have heard of feeding beef heart for years and until just now have never heard anything bad about this practice. I had piranhas on two occasions and fed them beef heart. They devoured it with relish and thrived while I had them.
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This is the one aspect i disagree with; as I am not a purist. Fishes don't eat land animals because normally land animals ('cept bugs) are not easily found in their habitat. I am not oppose to feeding land animals but i respect people who study fishes and determine what is and is not healthy for them. Er study in the scientific sense. If meat was actually healthy for fishes i would not be oppose to feeding it to them but i've read enough studies and articles to understand it does not make a good diet. HOWEVER my understanding is that egg yolk is healthy for many species of fishes and that is of course a 'land' thing....Everybody has to make their own decisions and I made the one not to feed land animals to my fish unless these were a part of their diet in the wild.
I do have a question - is raw shrimp good for cichlids and loaches (clown and similar). Some folks have recommended such but i'm not sure of the healthy value.I think we've probably made our points.
One guy has his methods and is welcome to stick with them. He doesn't need us to say otherwise, that's for sure.
The disagreement comes when you advocate risky and potentially harmful diets to creatures in your charge. I'm all for improvisation - the last time I had to get dog dewormer into my fish to fight Camallanus nematodes, I made a paste of tinned tuna (in water). It worked. Would I advocate that as a good everyday diet. Certainly not.
I am willing to learn always. What is the preferred diet for my Discus, considering what I am doing is so harmful to them?I think we've probably made our points.
One guy has his methods and is welcome to stick with them. He doesn't need us to say otherwise, that's for sure.
The disagreement comes when you advocate risky and potentially harmful diets to creatures in your charge. I'm all for improvisation - the last time I had to get dog dewormer into my fish to fight Camallanus nematodes, I made a paste of tinned tuna (in water). It worked. Would I advocate that as a good everyday diet. Certainly not.
As long as they aren't vegetarian cichlids like Tropheus, raw prawn/ shrimp is fine. However, if you have pet shrimp in the tank, then use cooked prawn/ shrimp to stop any diseases from potentially getting into the tank and infecting your shrimp.I do have a question - is raw shrimp good for cichlids and loaches (clown and similar). Some folks have recommended such but i'm not sure of the healthy value.
I'm not disagreeing. I was just looking for a something 'yummy' for temporary encouragement. I do occasionally hatch bbs when i have a fussy fish i need to encourage to eat. However for larger fishes bbs isn't much useShrimp is pricey. I have fish that would/should eat it, but I do not feed it. A lot of what we feed depends on a number of factors not a part of this thread. But I think they are still relevant. Cost is one factor. How many tanks we have, how many different diets we might have to feed different fish and whether we are breeding fish so we need fry food as well. Finally space may also be a consideration.
A lot of fish in the wild eat live food. I wonder how many here feed this.
I am not asking for responses for any of what I wrote, I was just offering some food for thought