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Sideshow86

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Hi everyone,

So I finally managed to get my first fish.

6 Mollys. I was very aprehensive as I wanted everything to be right for them. They seem to be very happy though. But I just wanted to check a few of my readings with you guys.

125L Tank
Temperature 25'C
Amonia, somewhere between 0 & 0.25 PPM
Nitrite 0 PPM
Nitrate somewhere between 40 and 80 PPM
pH 8.1

I'm fairly happy with these although the pH seems to have risen slightly.

Any input or clarification to all of this would be massively apreciated.

Cheers, Chris.
 
Ammonia should be 0, nothing over is acceptable,
Nitrate is also a tad high as most prefer to keep it below 20. That said it isn't too much of an issue and short term these higher values aren't too big of a problem.
 
Hi everyone,

So I finally managed to get my first fish.

6 Mollys. I was very aprehensive as I wanted everything to be right for them. They seem to be very happy though. But I just wanted to check a few of my readings with you guys.

125L Tank
Temperature 25'C
Amonia, somewhere between 0 & 0.25 PPM
Nitrite 0 PPM
Nitrate somewhere between 40 and 80 PPM
pH 8.1

I'm fairly happy with these although the pH seems to have risen slightly.

Any input or clarification to all of this would be massively apreciated.

Cheers, Chris.
A partial water change seems to be the answer to most evils, assuming your tap water is not in excess of pH 8.1
 
Cheers guys.

Just been trying to read up on Molly living conditions and most sources seem to indicate that they are OK up to pH 8.5 however it will eventually be a comunity tank so I need to get it down a little.

I'll be doing another water change tonight, probably about 30 litres so hopefully that will get my amonia levels back down to Zero and my nitrate back to less than 40 PPM. I'll double check the tap waters PH too, to see what it is reading.

Cheers.
 
If there are ammonia or nitrite problems it is always worth doing larger water changes. 30% will only reduce it to about 0.1 which isn't enough.

If lowering your pH, be sure to be very careful. I suggest not fiddling with it and instead choosing species that are compatible with your water. Lowering pH can cause instability and moving the pH too fast can cause the fish to become shocked. 8.1 is a fine pH as long as you don't pick soft water and low pH species like delicate tetras or sensitive rams. It would be a fine pH for a livebearer community.
 
Hi there Sideshow86, my first thought when a read your comment that you felt pretty happy with those result numbers was "well, the main one that mollies care about wasn't measured!" The main issue with mollies can often be hardness, they need a lot of it (some more than others.) So its really GH/KH results that matter, even though having a nice high pH like 8.1 is good sign (since high pH can *sometimes* be a result of high mineral content (hardness.)

My other thought was to ask whether the biofilter had actually been fully prepared prior to the first stocking of fish, as an experienced fishkeeper would do? One of the skill sets we go into great length about here in our beginner section are the ways to ensure that the two specific colonies of bacterial species have indeed been grown to sufficient size and maturity prior to fish being exposed. Have you had access to info on working on your colonies? The members are great at helping with this.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Hi there, yes the tank was cycled for 2 weeks before the fish were bought. :good:

How do you measure for hardness? I presume there is a kit you can buy.
 
Hi there, yes the tank was cycled for 2 weeks before the fish were bought. :good:

How do you measure for hardness? I presume there is a kit you can buy.

What cycling method did you use? We often find new members have a different idea of what cycling means so it's good to check :good:

There is indeed a kit you can buy. I have the Nutrafin KH/GH kit and it does the trick =)
 
Sorry for the hi-jack, but I also have a high pH(8.2) and I was wondering whether that would be ok for a community tank with livebearers minus the delicate tetras and soft water fish. What do you think?
 
The thing to remember is that pH is often a surrogate for mineral content but not always. Its not uncommon for people to know whether their local water is considered to be hard(high mineral content) or soft(low) and sometimes you can get further verification of that by finding the website of the local water authority and checking the data there or calling them and talking to their lab. This saves you the money of buying a GH/KH kit (which is just another two bottle, two testtube kit similar to your master kit.) Of course if you have a GH/KH kit you can get the best data of all, straight out of your tank, but its not usually highly necessary.

Assuming you have a pretty common situation, higher pH numbers like 8+ are usually indicative of harder water and low pH numbers like 6.4 and down are usually indicative of softer water. Remember though, there's nothing that says it -has- to be that way, just that its quite common.

OK, so moving on, its also important for us when we talk about it in our beginners section here to always note that the vast majority of fish we all buy in the typical LFS these days are quite capable of doing ok in most of the ranges of water we might have as long as it is kept pretty stable with respect to hardness (and, subsequently, pH for the most part.) The place beginners get in trouble usually is from dumping in chemicals to alter pH and then doing water changes that alter it yet again, etc. etc. Most of us are better off staying very close to our tap parameters, so that water changes are a natural thing for the tank.

Having said that, we can move on to the more subtle, but real, world of knowing that some fish "prefer" (or might "thrive better" or perhaps breed) water at one end or the other of the pH/hardness spectrum. There are tons of species out there but just to pull some common examples.. livebearers (that you asked about) (mollies, platies, guppies, swords, endlers etc.) are usually at the "hard" end of the spectrum. Species originally from the Amazon basin are usually at the "soft" end (neons, cards, angels and more.) Cichlids can also be pretty dramatic about this and different species come from different lakes with different water characteristics. Seeking out these details and have a "species specific tank" is, by the way, a branch of the hobby.

...don't know why I got off on all that when the I suppose my answer to your question was just Yes, livebearers should like your 8.2 pH! lol

~~waterdrop~~
 
Thanks Waterdrop very informative and yes my water is about medium-hard. Thats brilliant news and yes I would hate using the uppers and downers in the tank.
 

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