Extracting debris without removing water???

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Does anyone have any suggestions for removing waste and debris from gravel without the removal of the tank water? In between water changes I’d like to be able to do a little upkeep. Can only remove so much without removing so much water.
 
It seems counter-intuitive. How much builds up between weekly water changes?

I never top up either, for what that info's worth. Water changes are good things.
 
Yes, there are many options...

But probably everybody here will have the same "lips burning question..."

Aqueon ProClean Gravel Vacuum: This vacuum features a built-in filter that traps debris while allowing the clean water to flow back into the aquarium.

Marineland Magnum 350 Pro Filter: While primarily a canister filter, it can also be used as a gravel vacuum with the included siphon tube. It has a large filter capacity to handle debris effectively.

Fluval Gravel Vac: This vacuum features a reusable filter that can be easily cleaned and replaced.

But... "Why ?"

BTW: All of them makes water murky. Not a single one can handle Mulm for real. you would need a sediment bed filter to do so.

A scam if you ask me.
 
It’s maybe time for the old fashioned dip tube to make a comeback . I made a kind of a one by zip tying a piece of airline tubing to a stick . I use it to get uneaten food and unsightly turds in between water changes .
 
It’s maybe time for the old fashioned dip tube to make a comeback . I made a kind of a one by zip tying a piece of airline tubing to a stick . I use it to get uneaten food and unsightly turds in between water changes .

You're the man. I'm the man, he's the man as well !!!

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It seems counter-intuitive. How much builds up between weekly water changes?

I never top up either, for what that info's worth. Water changes are good things.
It’s not that a lot builds up in between, it’s just that after the last water change I realized there were some significant spots I missed that had a lot of debris built up. Perhaps I’m just overthinking this too much. It’s never going to be 100% debris-free, and my water is currently crystal clear. I suppose that and the fact that the water is testing good as well shouldn’t be any cause for concern.
 
You could use a siphon hose through a coffee filter type thing - whatever's lying around. Just let the water fall back into the tank.

Or siphon normally, and drop a jug of water in after to compensate.
 
You could use a siphon hose through a coffee filter type thing - whatever's lying around. Just let the water fall back into the tank.

Or siphon normally, and drop a jug of water in after to compensate.
Yeah, just clean the gravel with a siphon as normal and then quickly filter the water you've removed and put back in tank. I sometimes do this. A fine mesh filter works quite well - the type used to strain off BBS.
 
It’s not that a lot builds up in between, it’s just that after the last water change I realized there were some significant spots I missed that had a lot of debris built up. Perhaps I’m just overthinking this too much. It’s never going to be 100% debris-free, and my water is currently crystal clear. I suppose that and the fact that the water is testing good as well shouldn’t be any cause for concern.

I'm gonna share the tips that will revolutionise your water changes and gravel cleaning forever! :D

Number one: Yep, don't be trying to have the tank spotlessly clean and immaculate at all times! It's an easy trap to fall into especially with a first tank, but don't be afraid of a bit of mulm, algae and smaller critters like snails and the teeny bugs that help break down the waste. They turn the poop into mulm, which is mostly harmless fertiliser for live plants, so long as it isn't too much of a build up.

Remember that we're cultivating a mini ecosystem here, not just a pretty tank, and nature is never spotlessly clean! You can do more harm than good in attempting to remove every trace of muck, with every water change and tank clean. With a tank with gravel, I'd aim to clean 50% of the substrate one week, then the other half the next week. Or clean the areas where the substrate meets the glass (an old gift card or aquarium plastic scraper is good for this) so that it looks nice, then suck up the areas with the most mess, like the feeding area, and a light clean in other areas, giving those areas a deeper clean the next time, you know?

But! The trick I'm gonna teach you so that you can clean as much as you want, without emptying the tank of water before you're satisfied!

The trick, if you're using a typical gravel vac syphon into a bucket, just a tube with a sorta bell shaped bit that you stick into the gravel, is to get the syphon going so it's sucking water at a good rate, then stick your thumb over the output end that's in the bucket. This will pause the flow of the water, so you have much, much more control! Then you can move the bell end to the area you want to clean without water pouring into the bucket, place the end where you want, then remove your thumb to allow the syphon to continue and so you can clean that spot. Then put your thumb back over the end to pause it again when you're done, and can continue like that. Moving the syphon around, but only allowing it to flow when you want and when you're ready.

It doesn't mean doing it without removing water- but you need to change a percentage of the water anyway (I do 50-60% weekly) but if you're doing the gravel vac on water change day anyway, this gives you much more time to clean and keep it within your control, while removing much less water, less rapidly!

There's also nothing stopping you from doing a quick sweep with the gravel vac on a day other than a water change day, like if you've overfed something and want to clean up the excess, without removing a huge amount of water you then need to replace. :)

Useful video for learning more tips and tricks for both starting a syphon without having to suck on the end, or thrash it up and don in the tank - and for pausing the flow. Although in the video, Cory pauses the flow by crimping the tube, which also works - I just prefer to stick my thumb over the end which achieves the same thing, without leaving a crimp in my gravel vac.
But sometimes it's easier to learn by seeing it in action. It was for me, anyway. :) Hope this helps!

 
I do like AdoraBelle does, she gave a detailed explanation. But I'll add that I have 2 gravel vacuums, 1 smaller, 1 big. A quick surface or crevice vac w/smaller or for speed & in the case of big pleco poo, the larger.

You'll need to learn where debris piles up in your tank. Behind decor where the filter return doesn't allow stuff to flow into the intake, the base of plants or rocks, etc. It can help to rearrange decor so it's easier to vac out or to allow the filter(s) to flush out & deal with debris. I'm not a fan of "castles" etc., that trap mulm inside. But if you have such things know you need to clean inside them periodically but regularly. I'm lazy, I'd rather vacuum out debris than have to clean my filters more often.

Always remove uneaten food & then feed less. Yes, on the quick vac days you'll need to replace a gallon or 2 or allow the water level to be lower & hear the splashy filter return. There's really no advantage to return "de-sludged" water to the tank. It doesn't remove all the dissolved or fine particulate stuff. I live where there are droughts all the time, but my hobby & fish health is worth a little effort.

oops, it's way past my bedtime, sorry to babble on.
 
I had a great system for doing this. But it required the use of the Marineland H.O.T. Magnum filter which they no longer make. One option for this filter was a micron cartridge desiged for mechanical filtration. I have several of these and the micron cartridges now are a tad too big to fit them unless one does away with one of the two gaskets used on either end.

But, it had an interesting adapter one could use on the intake side. Insteal of the tube intake it was smal piece that fit into the intake but had a barbed output. One could puss the hose from a vacuum onto this such that the vacuum became powered by the filter. In essence it worked like a vacuum cleaner. Instead of sucking in debris using are and then trapping the derbris and exiting the air, this did it with water. The micron cartridge trapped the debrish and then returned the water to the tank.

The reason I ended up using this system was that I had a high tech plented tank- bright lights, pressurized CO2, bi-weekly fertilizing and all sorts of neat plants. I had a carpet of dwarf hairgrass and a number of plants with tender leaves (baby tears for one). The hairgrass and baby tears trapped lots of junk and the leaves of the bigger plants would get some stuff settled on them. So, I needed to be able to vacuum these things slowly and carefully. But doing this throroughly required at least two tanks worth of water using a traditional siphon driven vacuum. The H.O.T. saved me.

I could vacuum as slowly and carefully for as long as needed and never remove a drop of water from the tank. I also used to "mow" the hairgrass and baby tears which made a mess. Once I started using the H.O.T. vacuum that changed. The scissors in one hand and the vacuum tube next to it and it was snip and suck, and no more mess. I did have to empty the filter of clippings to do it all, but that was way less effort than snipping and then trying to find and remove the cuttings which never got into the net I used to try and catch them as I cut. That net also uprooted a lot of plats trying to chase those clippings. :(

I am not sure but maybe another brand of filter may have the same ability. Or maybe one could jury rig a system on a canister or other filter. I normally never vacuum my planted tanks except for that high tech one. Most of my planted tanks a re jungles and that means what I would vacuum out is basically "plant food."
 
You can get a big turkey baster to spot clean.


Was gonna say the same thing. I use one every day before I feed to clean up the day before dinner and to push tonight's dinner where I want it when it lands on the slate shelves above my fish. My fish aren't aggressive feeders and they don't always stray far from their homes to feed so it's important that I get food near their homes.

Turkey baster is an essential tool for me
 

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