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hye,

for some bizzrre reason my one side of my bulb fell into the water and i got shocked when i put my hand in the water,i shut everything down fixed it and now its fine,my fish and the rest of CUC seem fine,

any long term effect ?
 
dunno about long term effect but you should invest in an RCD adapter to stop the risk of getting electrocuted again (it would've cut the power before you had a chance to get yer hand in)
 
Ah my favorite topic cause it always confuses aquarists, and so often is misunderstood/misinformed.

First off, your fish will be fine. Short term effects of ungrounded stray-voltage do not harm livestock. There is even much debate if longterm exposure to ungrounded voltage can harm livestock. Too bad its dangerous to test, hence nobody really does it voluntarily ;)

I'd like to respond to some suggestions here to protect with grounding probes and ground fault devices... By using such "safety" methods you can actually set your tank up to be fully nuked. Here's the situation most reefkeepers try to setup. They first equip their system with a grounding probe, connecting their tank to a ground on a powerstrip, or similar electrical breakout box. Then at the end of that breakout box they place a single ground fault monitor. Their system runs fine for years and years, and the ground fault never trips. Then one tuesday summer day they wake up, check the tank, everything looks fine, and go to work. 2 minutes after walking out the front door, a seal leaks just a bit on their heater and some stray voltage creeps into the tank. When this potential is created, current leaks through the ground wire and into the ground fault monitor, tripping it and shutting the power strip off. The tank now sits with no water movement as the sun comes up. Light enters the tank from the surroundings and the fish wake up and start swimming about. They quickly produce excess CO2 and the tank's pH crashes while the O2 depleats. Fish and corals begin gasping for O2 that the stagnant water can no-longer exchange. It's now about 5pm and most of your fish are near death while your corals are allready on their way there. You run a few errands after work, come home, pick the kids up and whisk them straight away to some extra-curricular, never looking at your tank. By the time you get them home at 9-10pm you walk in the door and smell something funny. Immediately you sprint to your tank only to find it dark and smelling like rotting ocean. You quickly see the GFI is tripped and everything is shutoff. You get the main lights back on and your fish are all dead, corals all retracted, and the water is like a thick cloudy soup. All because the GFI tripped right after you left the house.

Sound horrific? Its happened to a member of my local club. Never again will he use a GFI to protect his system, and rightfully so.

Time for another story. Same scenario, seal fails on submerged power-carrying item. This time, no probe, no GFI. The device leaks stray-voltage into your tank. At night when you feed, you get a good old fashioned zap. Damn that hurt, your hand tingles for the next day or so. All your fish are still alive, and your hand's a little sore. Oh well.

Unfortunately you cannot use multiple GFI's on the tank because a leak to any ground is a leak to all grounds, and the GFIs will all sense the problem and all shutoff... There's really only one method for circuit protection I know that's not perfect but still won't result in a nuked tank. If you first connect your powerheads and sump pumps to the main circuitry, and then upstream from it place a GFI and upstream from that your remaining components, at least that way if the GFI trips due to a current leak, you still have flow and likely a live tank when you get home.
 
Is a GFI the same as an RCD adapter or a different thing?

When I bought my RCD adapter thing, I thought about the risks it could bring with it as you said ski but I came to the conclusion that there's a million and one things which could go wrong and leave the tank in a state like you described and that I'd rather be protected from electrocution than remove it on the off chance that something'll go wrong with itself.
 
Yes, same thing, different nomenclature. Here in the states we call it GFCI (ground fault circuit interruptor) and over there you guys call them (residual current devices). Both detect a difference between the current from the phase and neutral conductors. If such a differential current is seen by the device, it "assumes" that a short to ground is caused and it opens. These devices do not themselves protect against over-current, hence the need for circuit breakers/fuses. They also do not detect dead shorts through a person or device. So if you have a circuit only protected via GFI/RCD and grab the phase and neutral wires you can still hurt yourself and ther is unfortunately no way to electrically protect against such faults as the device cannot distinguish between current passing through a person and current normally passing through a device... mechanical means (covers/seals) and good maintenance practices are what will protect people from such faults.

Idle, I guess I see where you're coming from, but I'd still never wire my pumps/powerheads into a GFI/RCD. I've been shocked before, and probably will in the future, but replacing my tank cause of some salt creep in a light fixture... dunno if I could go through with that.
 
thats why i run 2 pumps, one on a gfci, the other on a normal powerboard.
 
I also need some piece of advise here. I have two internal filters in my 100 Gal tank. Both of them emit a very small stray charge in the water. When I put my hand in the water I feel nothing. But when I put a current tester (screw driver type neon tester) it glows dimly. Fish are fine. This is probably on for may be a month or so. When I change water, for a day or so there is nothing but then it develops again.

Two things:

1.Will it have any effect on the fish if it is left as it is?
2.How to rectify it? Changing the filters will be a huge cost.
 
I also need some piece of advise here. I have two internal filters in my 100 Gal tank. Both of them emit a very small stray charge in the water. When I put my hand in the water I feel nothing. But when I put a current tester (screw driver type neon tester) it glows dimly. Fish are fine. This is probably on for may be a month or so. When I change water, for a day or so there is nothing but then it develops again.

Two things:

1.Will it have any effect on the fish if it is left as it is?
2.How to rectify it? Changing the filters will be a huge cost.
If it is just in the water and there is no path to ground you are likely measuring voltage and not current.

Stray voltage in the aquarium is something that tends to happen when you have large amounts of electrical items in or near the water. This research noted that florescent lights are far worse than powerheads (except for a very old, ropey powerhead) for introducing voltage into a tank.

The conclusion is that earthing the tank through a titanium probe (not through an RCD) is probably the best way to go about things as they measured currents far closer to what would be found in NSW but voltages a lot higher.
 
Stray voltage in the aquarium is something that tends to happen when you have large amounts of electrical items in or near the water.

I feel that is what is happening here. I have two power heads and two heaters in water and five light lamps in the wooden hood. I get no voltage if I switch off any two of these four internal appliances. But How do you earth the tank. I am a layman as far as electricals are concerned. Do you mean that I put a wire in the water and put the other end in the main electrical earthing socket?

Please explain or I may end up putting more current in tank than there is actually. Also what is the effect of small stray voltage on the live stock?
 
Please explain or I may end up putting more current in tank than there is actually. Also what is the effect of small stray voltage on the live stock?
You need a titanium earthing rod that is placed into the tank and conected to an earth. you don't want an RCD on it, so if your plug sockets are RCD protected you will need another earth. A house in the UK should have three earthing points (often they are rods in the ground or connected to the mains water pipes) that you can look to connect to.

The effect of the voltage is unknown, and it probably does little effect on general reefs. It is blamed for problems when keeping sharks (which are more sensitive to electricity). The point being made in the link I posted is that the voltage was far higher than in the wild, while the current was not, so it is a matter of trying to keep the reef as close to natural as possible.
 
Remember though, earthing the tank will save livestock and yourself, but can cause large electric bills if a low to moderate fault exists and if a major fault exists, the tank could draw so much current that it blows a fuse/breaker...
 

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