Egeria Densa melting in warm water

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I bought some of this last weekend (at least that is what it was sold as) and it has pretty much all melted in two different tropical tanks. Have read conflicting views about whether it thrives in warm water - so do I leave it and wait, or just ditch it and spread the other plants I bought which are all doing fine?

pH: 7.3
KH: 20+
Temp: 25.5C
Nitrates: <5 ppm
Lights: Standard LED for Fluval Flex and Aquastyle 185 - 8 hrs per day
Substrate: Inert sand
Ferts: Seachen flourish complete (1/2 strength in community and full strength in nano)
CO2: None

Planted in substrate and floating. Both initially looked like they were growing really fast and have gone downhill from about day 3 onwards.

I'm pretty sure I previously kept this in a tropical tank, but that one had a temp of 23C and CO2 injection.
 
Assuming it is Egeria densa, it will not last long at tropical temperatures. This plant does well in goldfish tanks/ponds for this reason, though goldfish may eat it or at it. But the temperate temperature suits it.
 
A lot of plants suffer from sudden temperature changes. Elodia and similar plants that have been kept in cold water ponds often turn into a brown mush after a few days in a tropical tank. They can be grown in a tropical tank but they must be allowed to acclimatise to the warmer water over a period of time, several months if possible.

If you buy it during summer it usually does better because most ponds are a bit warmer. And if you can get it from a tropical aquarium it should be fine. But when it goes from 10C in a pond to 26C in a tank in a few minutes, it dies.
 
Thanks guys. Now moved out and moved on.

Briefly toyed with chucking them in the pond to see if they would recover but they will never survive the attantions of the fish in there :#
 
I feel your pain!

Years ago I used some pond weed (hornwort, or something that looks very much like it) to decorate a tropical tank, and it looked absolutely lovely, I was thrilled with it.

Until I got up next morning and found the tank floor completely blanketed in dropped leaves, and the hornwort nothing but stem :no:
 
once they are brown mush they are dead and will not recover.
 
Too be safe I acclimate all plants aquatic and terrestrial plants.
It's generally not a good idea to transfer exterior or wild pond plants to indoor aquariums, as they can transfer potentially harmful micro organisms to your system. I once successfully acclimated wild Horn Wort from my parents pond. After slowly matching temperatures in the summer and adding water from tanks into the pond water and plants, (separate container) then after what I thought was a thorough cleaning and rinsing with some aquarium water. ( I discarded the rinse and pond water. The Horn Wort was doing well, but after a few days I noticed all manner of visible micro organisms and small aquatic insects. While my fish delighted in chasing down and devouring the pond organisms, I was alarmed that I might introduced some harmful biological medium to my water systems. I was fortunate I had otherwise good water quality and healthy fish. I Freshened up my activated charcoal, increased my Prime dosage with frequent water changes and quickly got rid of the unwanted vistors also with the fishes' help. I suffered no fish deaths or illness', except I noticed some of my smaller fish, neon and white clouds acting peculiarly. They were acting frantic and fleeing, and clustering at one end of the tank, at times and acting like they were being netted.
After several weeks I barely caught sight of a quick, dark and elusive shadowy shape in the farther recesses of one aquarium. I tried to find it soon after but couldn't find whatever it was.
One day I took out the filter catridge for a gentle scrub and rinse with tank water. At the bottom or the filter chamber, INSIDE, was a good sized; 2 inch, wicked looking armored nightmare insect which I took to be a dragonfly nymph. Further research determined it be a gadfly nymph if I recall correctly. It has been a few years. I removed to a çontainer and took it to friends house, and released it in an old junk barrel in his back yard. The barrel had standing rainwater and mosquito larvae in it.
After that I kept a close eye on the tank. And my neons and clouds still weren't acting normally. Some time later I saw a larger, bulb Eyed later staged nymph actually chasing my fish. This one was difficult to capture and extricate from my net. I went to town searching ever crevice in my several tanks. I found a third medium sized nymph behind the in tank filter. I found a final one when I was lifting and moving some a broad leaf Ludvigia It was clinging to the bottom side of a leaf. I assume that is how they accidentally migrated into my tank in a smaller incarnation.
I was haunted for quite sometime after, constantly checking my plants and hidden corners. That was the last one though. Ever after I do not procure any plant samples from my parents' pond, no matter how much I'm tempted. Not worth the nightmare. I just spend a few dollars and get a domestic version or resemblence of whatever plant strikes my fancy from the ponds' many aquatic flora. The other pond inhabitants include; wild ducks, geese, big bullfrogs, bass and an occasional crane. Also there are uncountable insects and microbes. Over time the several good size ponds have naturalized.
The Horn Wort should perhaps only be counted as a partial success. For all the trouble, I was happy to see the Horn Wort flourish and transform and expand into a graceful, lacy, bushy version of the wild parent plant. It lasted for 2 years, and turned into as Colin_T said - "mush". but sickly whiteish, not viable green. Not anemic. Or lacking fertile fish water. As compared, my domestic aquatic plants have flourished for years and send out descendants, with and without my help. Lesson learned, I probably won't be doing that again.
 
Must confess I had forgotten about that aspect of them. I asked for them by name, together with v. spiralis because both are found in the biotope I am creating. I was lulled into a false sense of security because both were housed in the same indoor tank in the shop, albeit cold water.

Not much point in quarantine because they were going into a new tank The only hitch-hikers I found were daphnia and pest snails. I did squish the snails I saw but TBH I'm ok with them. The daphnia were a bonus because it proved the plants were shrimp safe, confirmed by the fact they were still skating around 2 days later.
 
put the daphnia in a container with green water or infusoria and you have live food for the fish :)
 
SEANGEE, what is TBH? I have been racking my brain.
My neon minnows chasing the daphnia alerted me to the presence of alien visitors(in my tank) v.spiralis is native to my state;Western Washington among other states. They are a refuge for endangered and other species.
Come to think about it, I have noticed Vals at my parents' pond. Hmm, may have to rethink this. I had forgotten about the Egeria densa. I had brought long stalks of that home as well as the Horn Wort. This is likely where the hidden hitch hiking nymph came along. The e. Densa did well for a while. I think I removed it when it became too sloppy and tired of cleaning it's shedding foliage and gave it to my Birds as salad.
E . Densa and v. spirila and I think Horn Wort are found from North America through to South America. It is possible some of wild regional species have through generations acclimated to our somewhat cooler but still temperate climate. But some species are adaptable to warm water tanks. I may get some a small sampling of Valisnaria from my parents' pond. As in spring or summer I have to clear the pond outflow of these and other water plants that grow abundantly through and chokes the narrow passage between upper and lower pond. As rain water swells the first pond, the passage serves as an overflow and refresher to the second pond.
It will easier to see if if thin stalks of v. spiralis are hiding unwanted predators. If I decide to get a sample, I will be more vigilant. But neither my fish nor SEAN GEE's aquariums suffered from stray microbes. In fact, my fish seemed to enjoy the chasing them down and eating themI have bought a number dwarf Vals at my local fish store. They are effective as a foreground accent plant.
I did get large striped Nerite snails and put them in with my small Electric Blue Johannis cichlids. All is well to this point. If any one is interested in the cichlids' initial and continued reaction to the snails and the benefits of Nerite Snails... there is a short incident report as my latest post in the Long Finned Albino Barb Castle Tank. I did in fact add Albino Cories to the Castle Tank. In that setting they do look like macabre Artic Wolf Spirits. And they enjoy the caves and towers of the castle. It is reminiscent of a Harry Potter and Tim Burton movie but still with it's own style and a simple elegance. I am getting an additional filter. Aqueon Quiet flow internal filter. To accompany my Hang on Back Filter. And possibly adding an Albino African Frog or two to this fantasy setting.
 

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