Dwarf Puffers

Mugen

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Well.. I am new to this portion of the forum, but my fish hobby has recently expanded! Up until now, my family had co-owned all their tanks, meaning my father did all the feeding and cleaning and I just stared at the pretty fish :) Well, after spending a considerable amount of time researching, I set up my own little five gallon up here at college and have introduced five Dwarf Puffers into the family! (The "family" consists of eight bettas and three goldfish.) Here's a picture of the little buggers:
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.. and of the tank.
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:nod: I plan on eventually adding live plants as a slow process. We have code names for their formations. So far, the favorite is that when there is a single puffer off on his own in a corner somewhere, we call him "The Assasain" :lol:
 
I'm not too sure from your post, but have you added 5 DPs to a tank of 5 Gallons? I apologise for being the bringer of bad news, but as someone who keeps 3 DPs in a 20g, I will have to tell you you're most likely in for a rough time. I recently wrote this post on my experience of keeping dwarf puffers, and the knowledge I acquired from research and the experience of others - http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=136616

I wish you the best of luck with your fish.
 
The main reason why I added so many is because I believed that it would better distribute aggression? I've seen it work really well with chichlids, barbs, and danios and have been informed by several others that it's effective with puffers as well.

Also, I was under the impression that these puffers don't get much bigger than an inch? The filter I have in there is intended for a ten gallon tank. I've spoken to people who own the same puffers in person who have told me that feeding them once every other day, or very small amounts every day can help with waste problems. (I've been feeding them thawed bloodworms.) I also test water levels once every other day.

So, I guess my main question is: is the 3g per puffer rule in order to tone down maintenance, or can it be guaranteed that these fish will be miserable and gradually kill each other for their entire time in this tank? In my current situation, maintenance isn't a problem, so it seems a little extreme to me to say you can only keep a single one-inch fish in a five gallon tank if that is the only issue.

Sorry for all the questions :D Don't learn if you don't ask!
 
That's looks like fun. I'm off at college myself, and I started out with a 20 gallon on my dresser, but it soon went to a 40 gallon as well as the 20 in my room! Haha :lol: ... I just needed more! I have my 80 gallon at home, but I couldn't bring that into my apartment or my roomates would've killed me. -_- Haha. ...Have fun with your fish!

~ Wonderboy!

ps: I have that plant in the back-left corner, too!!! - except mines the real version - lol
 
The main reason why I added so many is because I believed that it would better distribute aggression?


This is not the case unfortunately. Furthermore, keeping the water in a 5 gallon clean with 5 dwarf puffers in is a mammoth task.
 
Sorry XD I edited my last post with loads of questions right when you posted. :lol:! Don't mean to be a bother.

Also: can they really suck baby snails right out of the shell? That is so funny!
 
I would be VERY careful, some people even reccomend that 1 puffer per 5 UK Gallons, due to agression levels.
 
:) Taking back a fish isn't a problem. It's just nice to have some good solid reasons. I've met some people who are rather vicious and unfriendly about the conditions that others keep their fish in, whether they are good or not.
 
:) Taking back a fish isn't a problem. It's just nice to have some good solid reasons. I've met some people who are rather vicious and unfriendly about the conditions that others keep their fish in, whether they are good or not.


Hey Mugen,

It's great that you're being positive about your fish, and understanding that you might need to return some. It's always a good sign of a fishkeeper with the fish's best interests at heart.

I keep 3 DP's and they're territorial, snappy, aggressive, greedy and messy. This isn't limited to just my DP's either, this is the case with the majority of DPs.

Beyond maintenance (keeping water clean for puffers is crucial, they're not very tolerant of poor conditions) you'll struggle to keep 5 alive in a 5g for sure. Even though you're using a filter rated double for the tank, the filtration would most likely not be up to speed for 5 DPs.

I recommend that the tank is limited to 1 DP. He won't feel lonely, and he will be still quite a character! I keep one per 5g and they're still loads of fun, even more so because I don't have to see them fighting.

Like I say, everything is covered in the topic I put together only a few weeks ago.

Craig
 
Just a bit of adivce, i've been reading around and finding out that you have to be careful about their beaks, so unless you want to take part in Puffer dentistry you could get some snails or a flat piece of hard rock for the puffer to feed from as it will wear the beaks down (the second one was suggested not too long ago by someone else.
 
or can it be guaranteed that these fish will be miserable and gradually kill each other for their entire time in this tank?

Sorry for all the questions :D Don't learn if you don't ask!


Thats probably closer to the mark.
 
Ok, I'm jumping in. There is a good website called "[www].dwarfpuffers[.com] that is solely devoted to the care of dwarfpuffers. You should visit there. They also have a forum for dp keepers. I've kept dps for a couple of years and just recently started breeding them (not very well, too busy to spend hours looking for eggs or newborns). In general, dps are territorial. The mantra is "LOTS of plants and decorations that will block their line of sight" so if a hassled dp can quickly swim round a log or pot or something to an aggressive dp might not see him. Juvvie dps do seem to get along pretty well and will school but once they start maturing and their hormones get going, the dominant male will single out his choice female and fight all the rest--sometimes to the point of killing the others. Also, a pair that have been nicely breeding might all of a sudden fight (folks have found a dead female or a dead male with chunks taken out of it) for no apparent reason and up to then they seemed to get along so nicely. I had 3 in a 10 gal. tank heavily planted with logs and all, and when they matured, the alpha male chased the other male so constantly (and even chased the female but she didnt' seem to want him so wasn't cooperating) that I had to remove him to a separate tank. The "3 gal/dwarf puffer" rule is because they are scaleless fish so they are more susceptible to tank conditions and they are real messy (finicky) eaters--they'll watch their food drop down to the floor then refuse to eat anything that's on the floor or they'll grab one worm and the rest will drop and they ignor the dropped ones, or they just dont' like what you're feeding them AND because they are so territorial. So you have to remove the leftovers before they start fouling the tank (and if you're like me and rush off to work as soon as the fish are fed, the leftovers don't get removed immediately). From comparing notes of other dp keepers, we've decided that dps' teeth don't grow fast enough to really need to be ground down--bloodworms have a slightly hard outer shell that seems to be enough to keep dps teeth in good shape (daphnia also--soft inside with a crunchy outer shell, yum). Basically, dps love snails but don't generally crush the shells--they hunt down the snails (which is fun to watch--like cats do) and bit the soft fleshy parts until the snail dies. If it's a large snail and they can't eat it all, the dead snail rots so you have to remove it (and the blasted empty snail shells clog up siphons, o joy). Snails are not absolutely necessary for dp but they seem to love them and it gives them something to do (hunting the wily snails). If you have 2 males (at least one of which is mature), he will not tolerate ANY other male dp in the tank and will hound, and maim or kill, the other male (even if the other male is immature still). Females usually (note: "usually") get along ok together although they too can become aggressive with each other. Females will also attack males and males will attack females for no apparent reason. So give them a lot of space and plants and things to break up their space.
 

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