Doing 100% W/c's In Small Jars? Confused.

[Amberleaf]

Because they always say, "Oh, do 100% water changes DAILY in jars," or something like that; whatever; don't care to explain/look; well, anyways:

How would you do that? Because I mean obviously you have to empty the jar, right? And if it's like a liter (0.25 gallons.... right? ), then, well, obviously you just can't keep the fish in a little container while you do the water change, right? Otherwise you'd have to put the water from the other container in the jar, and it wouldn't be fully cleaned anyways....? Wouldn't you'd have to net the fish out of the container when you're done? But then, wouldn't the container have to be large enough for the net to fit in? Doesn't that mean that the fish would be lying half-in water, half-out, simply because this could not work otherwise?

Do they, like, hold the Betta in their hand, and then empty the jar, and just as quickly fill it up again and dumping the fish in, perhaps all in a matter of seconds? Sorry.... Confused. Because, wouldn't the fish have to be exposed to air? Even with the other method, wouldn't be exposed to air either way?

Sorry. I'm just so confused. Because the scientific part of my mind is going all like, "You dumb-butt! Of COURSE it can't work without the fish being out of water for a few seconds...." Bleh. DDDX

 

[SBL]

Well, unless you have saltwatter inverts and corals in your jar, I doesn't matter if the fish is exposed for just a few seconds. Bettas in the wild are known for plopping on wet leaves to hide from predators and only going back in the water to get wet and then plop back on. Sure a few seconds won't hurt. Unless you have a fish that can't tolerate no oxygen for a short amount of time like Tinfoils, I'm sure 30 seconds won't hurt.

 

[Curiosity101]

Have two jars.
Fill empty jar with dechlored water, tip fish from dirty jar into a net (carefully), place in clean jar of water straight away.

Or at least that's how I'd do it.

 

[Inchworm]

Hi Amberleaf

When I still had my bettas in specimen containers I would give them water changes daily but didn't take the 100% too literally. In reality I probably changed about 95% of the water. I would spill some out, rub the bottom with my fingers to loosen any clinging bits, and then (while keeping my hand across the open part) would spill most of the remaining water out through my fingers. Then I would refill it without removing the fish or having him exposed to the air.

Curiosity101's method sounds good too, but I didn't want to risk injuries from the net.

 

[Amberleaf]

Haha, thanks; it's not like I'm probably actually gonna be *doing* this; but.... still. It was bugging me for *quite* a while. Thanks.

 

[Rafael Dilone]

Well you should not change 100% of the water since there will be no beneficial bacteria left at all in the new water unless its cycled water and i do not know how you will manage to do that with all your water changes. Also Bettas have a labyrinth organ which means they can use air as a source of oxygen. Reason they are able to live in such cramped conditions with barely any given oxygen in the given volume of water. So it being exposed to air and removed from the jar is not a big problem. I know i may be going a bit off topic but look into Hikari Betta food. They make awesome betta food and i can provide you with links if you like

 

[-Rob-]

how do you keep them at a decent temp in a jar tho? just out of curiousity ?

 

[Amberleaf]

You heat the room rather than each of the individual jars or something, right? I seem to remember something like that....

Grr, my Betta pair is wrapping and wrapping but no eggs are coming out! And the female is *definitely* swollen with eggs.... Even more so than she was before!! Oh, well; they're doing it step by step.

 

[Curiosity101]

Rafael - In a tank it is the filter which becomes colonized with bacteria, not the water. Cycled water doesn't exist. In this case, instead of using bacteria to make the water safe the person is using huge water changes. Ie. 100% changes.

On most tanks this would be silly which is why we cycle filters, but in breeding set-ups where fish need to be seperate and space is limited you have to use small containers. Small containers can't fit a filter so can't be cycled, hence using the huge water changes to keep them safe for the fish.

Edit: Amberleaf I agree, I always thought it was heat the room as opposed to the containers.

 

[-Rob-]

ohhh... i get it now, so you keep them at a normale room temprature really? thats cool to know, i cant imagine they would get that cold at room temp anyway.

i need to know this soon so thats one of my own questions answerd

 

[Amberleaf]

Haha, yeah; my little Libra's bubble near is teeming with eggs!

 

[theshadowinc]

Rafael - In a tank it is the filter which becomes colonized with bacteria, not the water. Cycled water doesn't exist. In this case, instead of using bacteria to make the water safe the person is using huge water changes. Ie. 100% changes.

On most tanks this would be silly which is why we cycle filters, but in breeding set-ups where fish need to be seperate and space is limited you have to use small containers. Small containers can't fit a filter so can't be cycled, hence using the huge water changes to keep them safe for the fish.

Edit: Amberleaf I agree, I always thought it was heat the room as opposed to the containers.

It is heat the room, usually cheaper for a transhipper to do something like this, the place I picked my bettas up at the room where all the transhipped fish was heated to 80 degrees lol funny part was it was cold outside and walked inside the fish room and wow talk about heat walk back out and wow talk about cold!

the water change of 100% I still truely think its silly I go as far as maybe 98% where the betta lays on its side, basically I don't cycle my betta jars I grow my bettas out in, simple water changes keeps everything in check. (Like you said Cycled doesn't exist) or use Ammo Lock or something simular

Another way I have seen bettas heated is take all the jars and place in a big rubbermaid container and fill the rubber maid container with water to the lid line and heat the rubbermaid container, it keeps them all at the same temp and you pay to heat just one big container compared to heating a room or each one individually
(Gotta love the science of heat distribution)
Amberleaf ~ Sometimes it takes more than a few tries for them to get the hang of it, might not work this time it might work next time but the male might eat all the eggs really its about trial and error and training them for breeding I do many false breeds, what I mean by that is I don't takecare of the fry leave eaither the male or female in to eat the eggs usually the female if I am training a male to raise the young(Better to let the female eat the eggs it helps with promotion of more eggs)