Does This Look Like Fin Rot?

[Aussie_Dog]

their meant to live in harsh conditions.

Huh, sounds like you DID say they're meant to live in harsh conditions.

Anyway, there's a difference between ammonia-saturated water and bacteria-saturated water. One is like breathing acid. The other is just a bunch of little microsopic organisms that have been around since the start of time. The only bacteria that would harm the wild Betta is whatever new bacteria is introduced into it's environment (like a disease). We humans have bacteria ALL around us ALL the time (no doubt I'm typing on a bacteria-infested typewriter and breathing in the bacteria off the moniter). Yet we would be suffering, too, if we had to inhale ammonia fumes, wouldn't we?

 

[Phoenixbaby]

spot on stang

its like wild animals that have been bred in a zoo, they wouldnt really survive in the wild due to not bein exposed to it b4

bettas here have been bred in captivity and have only experienced good clean water

ever thought thats why they die when the water quality is poor and dirty... bcoz they are not used to it and have never beene exposed to it

clearly nikon u havent a clue

telling jaiden ammonia is not harmfull, thats like saying arsnick isnt poisonous to us

 

[nikonD70s]

yes, i know amonnia is harmful. just because the water has amonnia that dont mean the fish is promise to get ammonia. maybe its weak and not used to the water so its easier for ammonia to attack its fin. im sure fishes that comes from muddy dirty water has somewhat adapted to live in waters with harmful bateria's and ammonia. thats why they can still live in them...if not wouldnt u think they all died? thats why i think its not always good to maintain the water so much because they will get used to the clean water and if u decide to get lazy and dont do ur routine, ur fish is going to get sick. and i guess i dont have a clue then...since my betta is active and healthy the way im caring for him and why are some of u getting so upset? im here to help, if u dont like my idea then leave ur negative comments to urself. im sorry i takecare of my betta differently and have different opinion from everyone else. peace!

 

[Phoenixbaby]

theres a difference between an opinion, and telling someone

u told us ammonia is ok and bettas are ment to live in dirty water etc

u didnt once say it was ur opinion, bcoz that my dear is a completely diff kettle of fish

ammonia IS harmful to fish on any level, causing diff damage depending on how high it is

its like carbon monoxide, its poisonous

But hey ho clearly u know better than myself and every1 else here

 

[stang1]

The trouble is Nikon, people on here like to take care of their fish and keep them in the best conditions possible.
As I've already explained, the Bettas that we all keep are captive bred and not wild caught. In the wild, the fish are used to the conditions and nature takes care of itself.
Captive bred Bettas are bred and cared for in good quality water and aren't used to poor water conditions.
Ammonia build up will burn their gills and cause damage long term, even if they don't die straight away it will shorten their life span.
I am not prepared to keep my opinion to myself when you are not giving the best of advice. We are all here to help people, not condone keeping fish in lousy water.

 

[WILDER]

Look up ammonia poisoning and see what it can do to a fish.
Lots of members spend time on here helping members out, learning them about water quality, then members like you come along and undo all the good work.

 

[Netty]

theres a difference between an opinion, and telling someone

u told us ammonia is ok and bettas are ment to live in dirty water etc

u didnt once say it was ur opinion, bcoz that my dear is a completely diff kettle of fish

ammonia IS harmful to fish on any level, causing diff damage depending on how high it is

its like carbon monoxide, its poisonous

But hey ho clearly u know better than myself and every1 else here

The trouble is Nikon, people on here like to take care of their fish and keep them in the best conditions possible.
As I've already explained, the Bettas that we all keep are captive bred and not wild caught. In the wild, the fish are used to the conditions and nature takes care of itself.
Captive bred Bettas are bred and cared for in good quality water and aren't used to poor water conditions.
Ammonia build up will burn their gills and cause damage long term, even if they don't die straight away it will shorten their life span.
I am not prepared to keep my opinion to myself when you are not giving the best of advice. We are all here to help people, not condone keeping fish in lousy water.

Look up ammonia poisoning and see what it can do to a fish.
Lots of members spend time on here helping members out, learning them about water quality, then members like you come along and undo all the good work.

 

[Phoenixbaby]

aww how cute is that smily!!

 

[Jaiden]

Wow I missed a lot here lol Don't worry guys. I do know ammonia isn't healthy and I'm trying to do my best to rectify the situation for Murphy's sake

In response to this:

not being funny, but what would be the point? unless you have run out of water conditioner or something?
water only carries minuscule amounts of the nitrifying bacteria, it colonizes onto surfaces, like gravel, the glass of the tank, ornaments etc. so using water from another tank won't make it cycle any quicker.

The reason I asked is because I'd like the poor fish to be ammonia free ASAP. I figured if I disposed of ALL of his water, and added water from my other tank that I know is safe, it'd be a lot healthier for him, no? I do have water conditioner and I did add it to the water before I filled his tank back up today and the levels are still reading the same. Like I said, I've never dealt with this issue before because I've mostly kept larger, planted tanks. And I've never claimed to be a fish expert, that's why I'm here asking you guys

 

[WILDER]

If you have mature tanks just squeeze some benefical bacteria from another tank onto your sponges, or take a sponge from another tank.

 

[stang1]

No digs were aimed at you Jaiden. We didn't want you being given poor advice from someone who thinks it's fine to keep a fish in a dirty jar.
Do you know anyone who has a mature filter? If so, you could add some of that to your filter which should help with the ammonia problem. Failing that, the only way to get rid of ammonia is to keep doing your water changes until it reads 0.
I know it's frustrating but you will get there, even if it doesn't feeel like it at the moment.

 

[Jaiden]

No offense taken I definitely appreciate the help!

I have 2 75 gal tanks and a 10 gal. They've been running fine for over a year. All are reading normal for everything on every test I've done. If I just placed the sponge from one of the filters into Murphy's tank, would that help enough?

 

[stang1]

Is there a filter in Murphys tank? Although there will be bacteria on the sponge which may help a little, it still needs to be in the filter for it to have full effect.

 

[Jaiden]

There is a filter in his tank. Unfortunately, it's a lot smaller than any of the other filters sponges lol I'd have to mangle them the fit them in there

 

[WILDER]

You don't want to be taking to much sponge as it could send the main tank into a mini cycle, I find it best to just squeeze some bacteria onto the uncycled sponge.