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Well, if you think about it, dividing a tank into 10 parts would be worse than getting a 1 gallon because they swim side to side and not up and down. Personally, I wouldn't keep a betta in anything less than 2 gallons but only because I need a heater. I don't look down upon people that keep them in 1 gallons as long as the fish look happy and they give them some flare time.
If I were judging the pyramid thing on size then I would say it was fine because I saw it on ebay and I believe it said it was over 1 gallon...I think it was like 2 gallons or something like that. But since it has that thing at the top and it doesn't look like it has holes, I wouldn't recommend it.
And I see no difference in a 1 gallon bowl and a 1 gallon tank. Whether they are bored or not is up to the individual fishes's personality and what they have in the bowl or tank.
But I also know that you cannot convince people to think any different so I'll just stop commenting on this ;)


Edited to add: I wouldn't want to adjust my air pump so that it would have less bubbles. They breath from the top and I think my filter provides sufficient bubbles. I don't think stressing my fish out is worth the tank looking all pretty with bubbles in it. I originally had the air pump for fishes that didn't breath out of the surface and since he does...well then I figured I didn't need it. It's still there but I doubt I'll be using it.
 
steamingdales said:
2nd bettas are surface dwellers so they need a larger surface not a tall vase or bowl, dont forget they do originate from streams.
The link for the first tank wouldn't work for me, but I think the largest of the Penn Plax tanks looks alright, but it depends on the volume. I reckon the minimum size for one betta is 1 gallon, but that's still pushing it. Jeremiah is in a 1.5 gallon but it is longer than it is tall so he has room to exercise. I still need to do 50% water changes twice weekly.

I've once had a male betta in a 7 gallon tank, no filter or airstone, just a heater. All he did was sit in the corner or swim frantically behind plants, whereas my little Jerry is very active in his 1.5'er. I believe it all comes down to the bettas' personality (or rather 'fishonality' :p )

Steamingdales, just for the record, bettas don't originate from streams. Rice paddies are their natural home:

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They are large, slow moving, shallow areas of water. Much different to streams, which are generally fast moving:

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Hope this helps. :thumbs:
 
Does anyone know about how many gallons these dementions are? 10.5"x12"h this tank is where the dementions are from. I went to petsmart today and they are selling 10 gallon glass tanks (Top Fin brand, I think) for $10! I will probably get that one, they have a lot there and they have been there for a while, so I think I will buy one extra for later ;) That way I can save my money for a bigger Black Moor goldfish tank next year.
 
Weeell, seeing as a general rule to go by is that the tank needs to be at least 4Xs as long as the fish and 2X as wide as the fish is long, I'd say that, depending on shape, 1 gallon tanks are perfectly fine. To a betta, a 1 gallon is nowhere near comparable to a cupboard (more like the size of my computer room where I spend 90% of my waking hours, lol.) Water changes don't stress my boys out for more than about a minute, whereas filter current, no matter how weak, drives some of them absolutely nuts. I'm using 3 Nano filters (very tiny and weak) in my divided 10 gallon, and even then I had to be very careful which bettas I put in the sections with filters and had to turn the filter flow down to half or they'd just sit in the corner and mope.

Steamingdales, I think the advice you've given is exceptional, and for any other type of fish I'd completely agree, but honestly, in my experience most bettas do better without filters and can be perfectly happy in a 1 gallon. Some of mine are even insecure and skittish in tanks larger than that, even when provided with ample cover. Not all of them are surface-dwellers either. When the water is shallow enough for them to easily reach the surface when needed, many prefer the mid-waters and make frequent visits to the bottom as well. You're right that they breathe air from the water as well as from the surface, but Betta splendens, unlike some other betta species, rely heavily on their labyrinth organ even in heavily aeriated water and do not suffer in the absence of bubble stones or filtration.
 
Just my opinion, and don't jump all over me for saying this, bu that gumball tank is horrifying. The fish could suffocate in there, and it is way too tiny. Some people argue with me saying that smaller tanks are OK as long as you keep them clean. In my opinion, you would need to clean that tank several times a week, which will majorly stress your fish.

The penn plax tank looks nice though, and I think a fish would be very happy in there. The bigger the better. Those little tanks are cute, but sometimes they can cost MORE than the nice big ones. Just like people, fish like nice big homes.
 
steamingdales said:
can I just add that any tank under 5 gallons are far too small for a betta. fish should thrive not just survive. How would you like to spend your life in a cupboard?

Scientific tests show bettas need both underwater air and above to survive.
That's entirely an opinion (which we are ALL entitled to), but keep in mind that it is your OPINION, not gospel, so don't assume we are all wrong for keeping our fish in something you don't like. I have to HIGHLY disagree with you on the statement too, by the way.

I had a betta boy in a 2.5G tank and he was perfectly happy, moved him to a 5G tank w/a filter and he became so incredibly stressed out with that much room to watch over and with the filter (Even though I had made modifications to significantly cut down the current) that he died within days.

And I perform my own little scientific experiments daily. I have 17 happy healthy little boys and girls who live at my house, some of them in a split, yes SPLIT 2.5G tank (which means they each get 1.25G) and they seem to be incredibly happy. Some bettas just stress out beyond "comfortableness" when they have way too much area to partol. It depends entirely upon the betta.

I have 10 betta tanks at the moment for my 17 bettas - 8 of the ten tanks don't have any filter or airstone whatsoever. :dunno: The fish in those tanks don't operate or act any differently than the ones in any other tanks.

I also have 2 boys in a split 10G tank - it's into 3 compartments of 4, 2 and 4 gallons. The middle 2G section is where the filter runs - the other 2 are for the fish. If I had to geusstimate how much actual area of the 4 gallons my Harvey ever actually uses, I'd guess it to be less than 1 gallon. He is TERRIFIED to go down to the bottom - if, for some reason, food drops down there, he dives for it, but then panicks and comes back up.

SO - all in all, you can put your bettas into 5G, 10G, 100G tanks - whatever you feel like doing - for all that matters to me. I care a whole lot for my bettas - as does every single person on this forum, hence the reason they sought out other folks who they could get information from and give information to about them - and (speaking for myself at the moment, and my fish) I can guarantee you that every single one of them loves their life the way they are right now at this very moment. They all get a big variety of foods, clean water on a regular basis, fun toys in their tanks that I change out on a regular basis and as much attention as I can possibly fit in with every single on of them on a daily basis. Every day, without fail.

And just an example of how a betta can really thrive in a smaller tank, have a look at this thread:
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showto...16&hl=tail-less
That's my betta whose tail had been completely severed off in some freak accident before I got my hands on him. I use him as an example quite frequently.
He did all that in a 1G tank.
And LOTS of other people right here on this very forum have great stories of how bettas have thrived in smaller tanks. I'd have NO qualms about keeping a betta in a 1G tank for any length of time. I always hope to upgrade them to at least a 2.5G, but if I can't, then froo froo. I don't let it bother me. There are bettas out there who get taken home and dumped into nice large tanks and forgotten about because their novelty has worn off. I can bet you that if, given the chance to choose, a betta would pick to live in a 1G tank where he got lots of food, clean water and attention any day over a big ol' tank where he didn't get quite as good of care, food, water or attention-wise.

There have been MANY heated debates about this topic on this forum, just do a search for tank size and you'll find LOTS. It's not something that everyone will ever agree on - it truly does depend on the betta.

And I think those gumball tanks are ridiculously small, too Orky. Not something a betta would probably be happy in. But that is our opinion to have :p and we shouldn't ever feel bad about expressing our opinion - as long as it's offered up as just that ;).
There have also been SEVERAL heated debates on that whole issue too.
 

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