Do You Believe In Starter Fish For Beginners

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As I don't.
Even starter fish need experience fish keepers to look after them.
Some fish are easier to keep them others but at the end of the day they all
need the same thing. Good size tank, balanced diet, good water quality, a good owner
who prepared to learn and put the time in.
Please reply with your thoughts on this matter!
 
I would say there are some fish that certainly aren't suited to beginners, so in that sense yes.
 
I'd agree with Munroco... some fish are best suited to experienced fishkeepers.
 
 
But, the general premise is one that I agree with WILDER.  Most fish in the hobby require the same basic things... but there are exceptions.  
 
You have to start somewhere, right?
 
Well yes. But killing cheap fish is not fun. It's a pity that most of us don't learn before purchase.
Most people that start a tank  don't cycle the tank before adding fish.
We do learn by are mistakes but at the end of the day the fish that suffers in are ignorance.
At the end of the day they all need the care and knowledge to keep them alive. So I don't believe there any
difference when members say start with an easy starter fish. As there isn't any in my opinion.
 
Wait! I said nothing about killing them. I thought "starter" fish meant some of the hardier species that can live through the mistakes.
 
WILDER said:
You have to start somewhere, right?
 
Well yes. But killing cheap fish is not fun. It's a pity that most of us don't learn before purchase.
Most people that start a tank  don't cycle the tank before adding fish.
We do learn by are mistakes but at the end of the day the fish that suffers in are ignorance.
At the end of the day they all need the care and knowledge to keep them alive. So I don't believe there any
difference when members say start with an easy starter fish. As there isn't any in my opinion.
 
I'd agree that there aren't any 'easy' starter fish... but there are some 'harder' starter fish.  I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone start with discus, for example.  By comparison platys or zebra danios would be far less challenging.
 
Wait! I said nothing about killing them. I thought "starter" fish meant some of the hardier species that can live through the mistakes.
 
No you didn't that was just me so don't take it to heart.
At the end of the day keeping any fish in a tank takes learning and there is so such thing an easy starting fish to keep.
 
Sorry been on the wine tonight. LOL. I'm a bit merry need to go to bed.
 
Thanks RobRocksFishTank.
 
I agree that anyone planning to keep any animals that they don't have previous experience with should do their research. But there are species that these beginners who have done their research should start with. No amount of book learning will prepare you for keeping discus, that takes practical experience but keeping platys or guppies or a few of the cichlids or tetras is definitely where you should start. 
 
Unfortunately fish keeping like almost all aspects of pet keeping has had the "fools rush in approach" for example how many people rushed off and purchased "Lassie" dogs (rough collies) after the tv and movies or Dalmations after the seeing the movies only to end up filling rescue shelters with their cast offs. The people rushed in purchased a particular breed or species because it was suddenly "cool, trendy, hip" to own them without knowing anything about the breeds requirements.
I can say with hand on heart its better for the fish and the potential long term fish keeper to start out with an easier to care for fish, easier being in the sense that they have been bred for many years in almost all water types allowing survival of the fittest to make them more resilient to the many mistakes almost all new fish (pet) keepers make. True the fish may suffer at the hands of inexperience, but I feel if people are ever going to really enjoy the hobby/ pastime of fish keeping then they need to have the emotional and uplifting feeling of having wins, instead of rushing into say a more difficult species and failing in the first month only to then be selling off the tanks etc that had once held great dreams.
Putting it another way I am an avid bird keeper and breeder, and many times people have told me its a waste of time because birds die at the drop of a hat. This can be true, but the birds that didnt die encouraged me to keep learning about them and expanding the selection of bird species that I keep and breed.
 
Great post Baccus.
I'm not a great writer and i know it but I do love animals and like to see them well cared for. But we
don't live  in ideal world. But forums like this and members who are willing to help out other members in
need make all the difference. I learnt a lot from this site over the years.
 
What may be easy in one area or Country may be hard in another - I believe in getting fish that suit your natural water supply rather than trying to match your water to your fish.
 
A GBR for example should be a fairly easy fish to keep if you live in area with very soft acidic water but would be a virtually impossible fish to keep easily if you live in area with very hard alkaline water.
 
I had no experience what so ever about 2 years ago. We bought a tank filled with water and waited a week (info from our LFS) we bought 3 platies.
Within that week I stumbled across this forum. So we started a fish in cycle and had no idea what that meant till this forum. I followed advice on here. I bought a water test kit. I did daily water changes when ammonia showed. I tested my water daily. This went on for a month/ month and a half. I noticed a diiference in water changes, that I was then doing them every 3-4 days. This went on for another month. After month 4 I had a fully cycled tank. No ammonia for 3 days, no nitrite and nitrate was at 20-30 ppm. No fish losses in this period.
So to answer the question, there are hardy fish out there that will survive as long as there is work being done by the owner. A beginner that comes in, stocks their tank and does no work, then there will be losses.
I say there is hardy fish but NO beginner fish.
 

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