Do I Have To Many Fish

[beatassnow]

Here we go, I'm a new tank owner and I believe responsiable owner. I have a 110 gal with protien skimmer for a tank 180, 2 emp 400(they are for a 80gal tank and I have two) UV Sterli, Now here the fish Six Line wrasse 4 in, red spot dotty back 4in, white spotted grouper 7 in, bursa trigger 4 in, niger trigger 4 in, blueline snapper 3in, green wolf eel 7in. flasher scoprionfish 4in, damsel 4in....Now I was told 2in per gal. Right now I'm looking for a 300 to 350 8ft lenght, 2ft width, 3ft hieght, it will cost 6200 and would be ready in six months, everything include. Please someone tell me if I'm on the right track.

 

[SkiFletch]

In a 110, you wont last much longer with all those fish. To be honest, I'm surprised the eel hasnt become opportunistic in consuming smaller fish allready. Even at 300gallons and 8' long I'd be worried about the Grouper. These fish can get MASSIVE from my experience, so I'd read up on them...

 

[beatassnow]

In a 110, you wont last much longer with all those fish. To be honest, I'm surprised the eel hasnt become opportunistic in consuming smaller fish allready. Even at 300gallons and 8' long I'd be worried about the Grouper. These fish can get MASSIVE from my experience, so I'd read up on them...

Here we go, I'm a new tank owner and I believe responsiable owner. I have a 110 gal with protien skimmer for a tank 180, 2 emp 400(they are for a 80gal tank and I have two) UV Sterli, Now here the fish Six Line wrasse 4 in, red spot dotty back 4in, white spotted grouper 7 in, bursa trigger 4 in, niger trigger 4 in, blueline snapper 3in, green wolf eel 7in. flasher scoprionfish 4in, damsel 4in....Now I was told 2in per gal. Right now I'm looking for a 300 to 350 8ft lenght, 2ft width, 3ft hieght, it will cost 6200 and would be ready in six months, everything include. Please someone tell me if I'm on the right track.

They say the grouper will only get 12 in

 

[SkiFletch]

Who is "they"? Your LFS, or an experienced responsible reefer? I dont know exactly how big they get, you could be right there, I just know they get big. Just wanna make sure you're getting your information from someone whose not trying to sell you something

g/l, bedtime for me

 

[beatassnow]

In a 110, you wont last much longer with all those fish. To be honest, I'm surprised the eel hasnt become opportunistic in consuming smaller fish allready. Even at 300gallons and 8' long I'd be worried about the Grouper. These fish can get MASSIVE from my experience, so I'd read up on them...

Here we go, I'm a new tank owner and I believe responsiable owner. I have a 110 gal with protien skimmer for a tank 180, 2 emp 400(they are for a 80gal tank and I have two) UV Sterli, Now here the fish Six Line wrasse 4 in, red spot dotty back 4in, white spotted grouper 7 in, bursa trigger 4 in, niger trigger 4 in, blueline snapper 3in, green wolf eel 7in. flasher scoprionfish 4in, damsel 4in....Now I was told 2in per gal. Right now I'm looking for a 300 to 350 8ft lenght, 2ft width, 3ft hieght, it will cost 6200 and would be ready in six months, everything include. Please someone tell me if I'm on the right track.

They say the grouper will only get 12 in

Thanks for the info , I got info online about the white spotted grouper

 

[Lynden]

Basically, the tank will seem fine for a few months. After which point it may become a self-consuming buffet.

Several of your fish grow to massive porportions (as in, an adult of one could feed an army). It would be best to either get rid of a few of the fish, or buy a much larger tank (in the neighbourhood of 500 gallons).

It is your choice whether or not you will do this; but to continue being the responsible owner, you may have to make some sacrifices for the good of the fish.

Remember, the shop owner wants to make money, generally; the people on this forum are willing to sacrifice their free time (and sometimes their sanity) in order to help others, for no payment other than the satisfaction of helping others. If we didn't care about your fish or the way you raise them, we wouldn't be on here. Dig?

-Lynden

 

[SkiFletch]

Btw, if by "white spot grouper" you mean whats commonly known as a Panther Grouper, most online guides I've read on them in the past 5 minutes list minimum tank sizes of 300-500 gallons and a max length of 1'8" to 2'. Beautiful fish, but large too

 

[beatassnow]

Basically, the tank will seem fine for a few months. After which point it may become a self-consuming buffet.

Several of your fish grow to massive porportions (as in, an adult of one could feed an army). It would be best to either get rid of a few of the fish, or buy a much larger tank (in the neighbourhood of 500 gallons).

It is your choice whether or not you will do this; but to continue being the responsible owner, you may have to make some sacrifices for the good of the fish.

Remember, the shop owner wants to make money, generally; the people on this forum are willing to sacrifice their free time (and sometimes their sanity) in order to help others, for no payment other than the satisfaction of helping others. If we didn't care about your fish or the way you raise them, we wouldn't be on here. Dig?
Thanks for your reply, I also have 1oo pound of live rock with plenty of cave , is that true about 2 in per gal. I will be upgrading within the next six months.
-Lynden

 

[Lynden]

The Panther Grouper. Beautiful, huge fish. Kind of like a cross between a fresh water Betta and an Oscar.

Unfortunately, a quick search of FishBase reveals a fish that more closely suits the name "White Spotted Grouper".

http/www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=6440
Epinephelus coeruleopunctatus appears to be even larger than the Panther.

-Lynden

P.S.
A more commonly accepted rule is one inch per 5 gallons. Though that can be considered an exaggeration.

 

[beatassnow]

Btw, if by "white spot grouper" you mean whats commonly known as a Panther Grouper, most online guides I've read on them in the past 5 minutes list minimum tank sizes of 300-500 gallons and a max length of 1'8" to 2'. Beautiful fish, but large too

The white spotted grouper grow to about 12 inches, they are the smallest of the grouper family.

 

[richard t]

Here we go, I'm a new tank owner and I believe responsiable owner. I have a 110 gal with protien skimmer for a tank 180, 2 emp 400(they are for a 80gal tank and I have two) UV Sterli, Now here the fish Six Line wrasse 4 in, red spot dotty back 4in, white spotted grouper 7 in, bursa trigger 4 in, niger trigger 4 in, blueline snapper 3in, green wolf eel 7in. flasher scoprionfish 4in, damsel 4in....Now I was told 2in per gal. Right now I'm looking for a 300 to 350 8ft lenght, 2ft width, 3ft hieght, it will cost 6200 and would be ready in six months, everything include. Please someone tell me if I'm on the right track.

Your specklefin grouper (whitespotted grouper) will only grow 12" max. But when it reaches this size you can kiss goodbye to anything it can fit into its mouth.
As you probably already know your niger trigger will reach around 20" in length and you scimitar trigger about 10". Your blueline snapper will be very demanding as well growing to 14" it will also destroy anything it can fit in its mouth.
Your old tank is not big enough to have these fish nevermind the other fish you have, so you are doing a good thing upgrading. I can see no problem with the fish being housed together in a 300gal tank, apart from the dottyback,wrasse and damsel that may become part of the menu.
Do you have a firm id for your eel, as the green moray (gymnothorax funebris) will exceed 2m in length At that size most things in the tank could become a potental meal.
Good luck with your new tank. It sounds like you have a interesting taste in fish, which is good to see.

 

[SkiFletch]

Directly from liveaquaria.com

Panther Grouper
Minimum Tank Size: 300 gallons
Care Level: Moderate
Tank Conditions: 72-78°F; sg 1.021-1.023; pH 8.1-8.4; dKH 8-12
Max. Size In Aquarium: Up to 1' 8"
Color Form: Cream
Temperament: Aggressive
Reef Compatible: With Caution
Diet: Carnivore
Compatibility: View Chart
Origin: Indo-Pacific
Family: Serranidae

Unless by "white spot grouper" you mean whats commonly known as a clown grouper?

 

[richard t]

Directly from liveaquaria.com

Panther Grouper
Minimum Tank Size: 300 gallons
Care Level: Moderate
Tank Conditions: 72-78°F; sg 1.021-1.023; pH 8.1-8.4; dKH 8-12
Max. Size In Aquarium: Up to 1' 8"
Color Form: Cream
Temperament: Aggressive
Reef Compatible: With Caution
Diet: Carnivore
Compatibility: View Chart
Origin: Indo-Pacific
Family: Serranidae

Unless by "white spot grouper" you mean whats commonly known as a clown grouper?

Try EPINEPHELUS ONGUS

 

[andywg]

Any info on the fish is pointless without a more positive id.

Looking through Reef Fishes Vol 2 I can see two groupers given the common name of Whitespotted Grouper: Epinephelus caeruleopunctatus (76cm - 29.6") and Epinephelus ongus (30 cm - 11.8"). Both of these appear somewhat similar (though not indiscernible) when smaller.

Looking through the above book I can see a fair few other groupers that could be described as "whitespotted" with maximum sizes up to 96cm (37.8"). I think we need to establish the exact species of the grouper as well as the "Green Wolf Eel" (which I seem to recall is the common name given to a fish from the Family Anarhichadidae) before any comments on final tank size can really be hazarded.

 

[Lynden]

Actually, the smallest member of the Grouper family grows around 2''. Anthias and Basslets are included in the Serranidae family.

But the Grouper in question does grow very large. It will require a tank of at least 240 gallons, to at least give it room to turn around comfortably. Unfortunately, you will need to get a much larger tank to house these fish.

-Lynden