Kinda Fishey
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Allabaster! ,Me ," Wrong" 
, Yeah could be , I have been before, but I couldn't figure out why good aquarist have been using aged/cycled water to seed new tanks for nearly a century, succesfully.
On the other hand I knew Cation wasn't just making this stuff up.
It finally occured to me that there is a lot more life and bacteria in our fishwater,than just nitri/nitrafying bacteria. Benifical , and some not so benifical .
The fish must adapt himself to the water, and with his slime coat adapt some of the water to himself.
Proffesor Alleman of Purdue Univ. at ..... ce.ecnpurdue.edu/alleman ...
in his paper on Nitrifier Behavior and Physilogy , amoung lots of interesting things , speaks of non-motile and motile nitrifying bacteria. If you read on down to Nitrifier Movement and Adhesion , he says " unstressed nitrifier seem to prefer a free swimming miagration" . But I did get the idea that they seemed to so a better job on surfaces. So now I'm back to deciding which water to put my betta in.
Water A. Old , used, cycled water from a healthy tank, which contains all kinds of life , live algae spores, slime spores, benifical bacteria, kinda like their old home, , and , at least a little nitri/nitrafying bacteria , that could set up housekeeping on surfaces , tank sides, gravell ect .and with time, and adding a little more live water they could take over ............My other choice is......
Water B. Which has had all life killed in it , good, bad , and nitrifying . then had the chlorine removed.........dead , lifeless, water
I think the fish will have a much harder time adapting to this new dead water. and about the time the water starts to adapt to the fish waste, you head of an ammonia spike by a water change, with more new water more adapting. the cycle continues.
I think the recirculating betta barraks, and divided tanks with filtration , biofiltration,both solve this problem. But , the mass sickness prospect is scarey.
I believe a bulk tank, aereated, filtered, biofilers working, with live , cycled water, filled with good bacteria,would be much easier for the fish to adapt to .
And I remember that some of the old Mom & Pop LFS back in the 60 s 70s , actually did this.
I know big breeders can't do this , and Wall Mart and most LFS won't do this.
But I can ..........course I could be wrong
KF
, Yeah could be , I have been before, but I couldn't figure out why good aquarist have been using aged/cycled water to seed new tanks for nearly a century, succesfully.On the other hand I knew Cation wasn't just making this stuff up.
It finally occured to me that there is a lot more life and bacteria in our fishwater,than just nitri/nitrafying bacteria. Benifical , and some not so benifical .
The fish must adapt himself to the water, and with his slime coat adapt some of the water to himself.
Proffesor Alleman of Purdue Univ. at ..... ce.ecnpurdue.edu/alleman ...
in his paper on Nitrifier Behavior and Physilogy , amoung lots of interesting things , speaks of non-motile and motile nitrifying bacteria. If you read on down to Nitrifier Movement and Adhesion , he says " unstressed nitrifier seem to prefer a free swimming miagration" . But I did get the idea that they seemed to so a better job on surfaces. So now I'm back to deciding which water to put my betta in.
Water A. Old , used, cycled water from a healthy tank, which contains all kinds of life , live algae spores, slime spores, benifical bacteria, kinda like their old home, , and , at least a little nitri/nitrafying bacteria , that could set up housekeeping on surfaces , tank sides, gravell ect .and with time, and adding a little more live water they could take over ............My other choice is......
Water B. Which has had all life killed in it , good, bad , and nitrifying . then had the chlorine removed.........dead , lifeless, water
I think the fish will have a much harder time adapting to this new dead water. and about the time the water starts to adapt to the fish waste, you head of an ammonia spike by a water change, with more new water more adapting. the cycle continues.
I think the recirculating betta barraks, and divided tanks with filtration , biofiltration,both solve this problem. But , the mass sickness prospect is scarey.
I believe a bulk tank, aereated, filtered, biofilers working, with live , cycled water, filled with good bacteria,would be much easier for the fish to adapt to .
And I remember that some of the old Mom & Pop LFS back in the 60 s 70s , actually did this.
I know big breeders can't do this , and Wall Mart and most LFS won't do this.
But I can ..........course I could be wrong
KF
