Discus Fish Question Again

[1Filmproducer]

Hi, this is my questions, but first, please treat this like i am a breeder, not 14 as many of you do, thanks alot

Hi,

Many questions about discus fish. I would like to breed them, but have never kept them before, ive been keeping fish for 7+ years and would like to breed and sell them. I have these questions that i would like you to answer for me please.

Would this tank be alrite?, i drew a plan on paint , then the one underneath is the actual tank, i would remove most of the dividers:

http/tinypic.com/r/2hpkllt/7

http/www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tropical-fish-tank-4-ft-aquarium-glass-breeding-3-parts-/190538173621?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item2c5cf5ccb5#ht_2961wt_1163

Will this be big enough for the fry and discus? considering you could get 400fry?

Next is,filtration. Could i buy a 1000L filter ( plenty of power) and connect it up to the parents tank, and the growing out tank, then have a air pump filter on the new fry tank?

My last question, If i was to have my own brine shrimp hatchery, would i beable to get enough for the fry to feed them twice a day?

Thank you
Mike

 

[KittyKat]

Hi, this is my questions, but first, please treat this like i am a breeder, not 14 as many of you do, thanks alot
[…]
Many questions about discus fish. I would like to breed them, but have never kept them before, ive been keeping fish for 7+ years and would like to breed and sell them.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to not point out your age? Now that's all I can think about also, if you don't breed fish intentionally, you're not a breeder yet.

Would this tank be alrite? […]

Should be, assuming you're not having any substrate or nothing more than 5 mm of sand or something like that, otherwise you would want a taller tank probably (although most people do now use large tanks). Personally, I wouldn't want to keep a pair of fish in a breeding tank in the long term, so I would have a "home" tank, probably a 6*2*2 ft with 6-10 discus and then the two 4ft tanks for fry (get the parents to spawn in one, move them to the next, spawn in there, move to display tank until the two spawns are sold).

Will this be big enough for the fry and discus? considering you could get 400fry?

Probably, with enough water changes. But from what I know, 50 fry is more common per batch (taking survival rated into account).

Next is,filtration. Could i buy a 1000L filter ( plenty of power) and connect it up to the parents tank, and the growing out tank, then have a air pump filter on the new fry tank?

Probably, but have fun with the pipework.

My last question, If i was to have my own brine shrimp hatchery, would i be able to get enough for the fry to feed them twice a day?

If you have enough batches going at the same time, sure.

The most important question is, have you already sorted out a buyer for the fish? Or do you plan to sell them off to hobbyists?

But to be honest, with 3 goldfish in a 5 gallon tank, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Please sort them out a new home before you even think about new fish.

 

[Overload]

I can't help with most of your questions, but with regard to the filter I would give this advice.

I am assuming the "Parents Tank" and "Growing out Tank" are going to be separate versions of the units you are highlighting, not just sections within the one unit? and if you mean a 1000 l/h filter I would say that is not really enough for the main tank alone. Because the quoted flow rates are often without any media there is a pretty large drop off to what you actually get.

Forgetting the growing out tank for this theory and looking just a one 4'x15"x15" tank, that's about 177 l.

with a 1000 l/h you are looking at a turnover of 5.6 times/hour, I normally look for between 8 and 10 turnover at rated flow to ensure there is sufficient real flow (for example, my Rio 400 has an eagle aquatic HW-304 (rated 2000 l/h) and a fluval 405 (rated 1300 l/h) giving a total turnover of 8.25 per hour).

For your "parents tank" I would be looking for total filtration rated at between 1400 l/h and 1800 l/h, if you plan to attach the "Growing out Tank" to the same system you will need more filtration as appropriate

 

[1Filmproducer]

Hi, this is my questions, but first, please treat this like i am a breeder, not 14 as many of you do, thanks alot
[…]
Many questions about discus fish. I would like to breed them, but have never kept them before, ive been keeping fish for 7+ years and would like to breed and sell them.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to not point out your age? Now that's all I can think about also, if you don't breed fish intentionally, you're not a breeder yet.

Would this tank be alrite? […]

Should be, assuming you're not having any substrate or nothing more than 5 mm of sand or something like that, otherwise you would want a taller tank probably (although most people do now use large tanks). Personally, I wouldn't want to keep a pair of fish in a breeding tank in the long term, so I would have a "home" tank, probably a 6*2*2 ft with 6-10 discus and then the two 4ft tanks for fry (get the parents to spawn in one, move them to the next, spawn in there, move to display tank until the two spawns are sold).

Will this be big enough for the fry and discus? considering you could get 400fry?

Probably, with enough water changes. But from what I know, 50 fry is more common per batch (taking survival rated into account).

Next is,filtration. Could i buy a 1000L filter ( plenty of power) and connect it up to the parents tank, and the growing out tank, then have a air pump filter on the new fry tank?

Probably, but have fun with the pipework.

My last question, If i was to have my own brine shrimp hatchery, would i be able to get enough for the fry to feed them twice a day?

If you have enough batches going at the same time, sure.

The most important question is, have you already sorted out a buyer for the fish? Or do you plan to sell them off to hobbyists?

But to be honest, with 3 goldfish in a 5 gallon tank, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Please sort them out a new home before you even think about new fish.

Hi, thanks for the response, yes i know 3 gold fish and 15 gallon community tank, i know, that was many years ago!, i do have 2 comanys interested atm. And i won't be adding any substrate, only breeding comb and heater

I can't help with most of your questions, but with regard to the filter I would give this advice.

I am assuming the "Parents Tank" and "Growing out Tank" are going to be separate versions of the units you are highlighting, not just sections within the one unit? and if you mean a 1000 l/h filter I would say that is not really enough for the main tank alone. Because the quoted flow rates are often without any media there is a pretty large drop off to what you actually get.

Forgetting the growing out tank for this theory and looking just a one 4'x15"x15" tank, that's about 177 l.

with a 1000 l/h you are looking at a turnover of 5.6 times/hour, I normally look for between 8 and 10 turnover at rated flow to ensure there is sufficient real flow (for example, my Rio 400 has an eagle aquatic HW-304 (rated 2000 l/h) and a fluval 405 (rated 1300 l/h) giving a total turnover of 8.25 per hour).

For your "parents tank" I would be looking for total filtration rated at between 1400 l/h and 1800 l/h, if you plan to attach the "Growing out Tank" to the same system you will need more filtration as appropriate

Thanks for the response, will think about that then, hmm , i'll look more into the filtration side

 

[Tolak]

OK, treat you like a breeder. Get a 29 gallon for the pair, 20 for initial growout, 55 for final growout. 15" is too shallow for adult discus, divided tanks are asking for cross contamination should a problem occur. It also prevents you from adjusting tank temperature as well as water parameters. Go with air driven filtration for all, turnover rate is great for show tanks where you want debris removed, breeding tanks aren't show tanks. You'll be removing debris via water changes. Forget about any substrate, you will want those bottoms mirror clean. The amount of bbs you hatch depends on the container used for hatching, I've seen everything from 1 liter bottles to 5 gallon jugs used. Build everything possible yourself, feed half as much, twice as often.

 

[KittyKat]

with a 1000 l/h you are looking at a turnover of 5.6 times/hour, I normally look for between 8 and 10 turnover at rated flow to ensure there is sufficient real flow (for example, my Rio 400 has an eagle aquatic HW-304 (rated 2000 l/h) and a fluval 405 (rated 1300 l/h) giving a total turnover of 8.25 per hour).

For your "parents tank" I would be looking for total filtration rated at between 1400 l/h and 1800 l/h, if you plan to attach the "Growing out Tank" to the same system you will need more filtration as appropriate

The turnover argument does not apply to breeding tanks, especially bare ones and even more so for discus because at that rate, the fry would be blown around too much.

But even for display tanks, it is quite possible to use very low turnover rate filters with success and no problems. It very much depends on the individual setup.

Edit: Tolak beat me to it

 

[Overload]

Thanks Tolak and Kittykat, to live is to learn

 

[1Filmproducer]

Hi, this is my questions, but first, please treat this like i am a breeder, not 14 as many of you do, thanks alot
[…]
Many questions about discus fish. I would like to breed them, but have never kept them before, ive been keeping fish for 7+ years and would like to breed and sell them.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to not point out your age? Now that's all I can think about also, if you don't breed fish intentionally, you're not a breeder yet.

Would this tank be alrite? […]

Should be, assuming you're not having any substrate or nothing more than 5 mm of sand or something like that, otherwise you would want a taller tank probably (although most people do now use large tanks). Personally, I wouldn't want to keep a pair of fish in a breeding tank in the long term, so I would have a "home" tank, probably a 6*2*2 ft with 6-10 discus and then the two 4ft tanks for fry (get the parents to spawn in one, move them to the next, spawn in there, move to display tank until the two spawns are sold).

Will this be big enough for the fry and discus? considering you could get 400fry?

Probably, with enough water changes. But from what I know, 50 fry is more common per batch (taking survival rated into account).

Next is,filtration. Could i buy a 1000L filter ( plenty of power) and connect it up to the parents tank, and the growing out tank, then have a air pump filter on the new fry tank?

Probably, but have fun with the pipework.

My last question, If i was to have my own brine shrimp hatchery, would i be able to get enough for the fry to feed them twice a day?

If you have enough batches going at the same time, sure.

The most important question is, have you already sorted out a buyer for the fish? Or do you plan to sell them off to hobbyists?

But to be honest, with 3 goldfish in a 5 gallon tank, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Please sort them out a new home before you even think about new fish.

Hi, thanks for the response, yes i know 3 gold fish and 15 gallon community tank, i know, that was many years ago!, i do have 2 comanys interested atm. And i won't be adding any substrate, only breeding comb and heater

I can't help with most of your questions, but with regard to the filter I would give this advice.

I am assuming the "Parents Tank" and "Growing out Tank" are going to be separate versions of the units you are highlighting, not just sections within the one unit? and if you mean a 1000 l/h filter I would say that is not really enough for the main tank alone. Because the quoted flow rates are often without any media there is a pretty large drop off to what you actually get.

Forgetting the growing out tank for this theory and looking just a one 4'x15"x15" tank, that's about 177 l.

with a 1000 l/h you are looking at a turnover of 5.6 times/hour, I normally look for between 8 and 10 turnover at rated flow to ensure there is sufficient real flow (for example, my Rio 400 has an eagle aquatic HW-304 (rated 2000 l/h) and a fluval 405 (rated 1300 l/h) giving a total turnover of 8.25 per hour).

For your "parents tank" I would be looking for total filtration rated at between 1400 l/h and 1800 l/h, if you plan to attach the "Growing out Tank" to the same system you will need more filtration as appropriate

Thanks for the response, will think about that then, hmm , i'll look more into the filtration side

Do you know where i can get these tanks, i plan to buy 1 2tier 4ft stand, so maybe 2x 2ft aquariums then 1 4ft aquarium ?

 

[Tolak]

Buy some lumber, build the rack. Get used tanks, local club auctions are great for used gear. I've gotten 29's for $3, seen 55's go for $20. Aim to pay no more than 50 cents per gallon used.

 

[1Filmproducer]

Hi, this is my questions, but first, please treat this like i am a breeder, not 14 as many of you do, thanks alot
[…]
Many questions about discus fish. I would like to breed them, but have never kept them before, ive been keeping fish for 7+ years and would like to breed and sell them.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to not point out your age? Now that's all I can think about also, if you don't breed fish intentionally, you're not a breeder yet.

Would this tank be alrite? […]

Should be, assuming you're not having any substrate or nothing more than 5 mm of sand or something like that, otherwise you would want a taller tank probably (although most people do now use large tanks). Personally, I wouldn't want to keep a pair of fish in a breeding tank in the long term, so I would have a "home" tank, probably a 6*2*2 ft with 6-10 discus and then the two 4ft tanks for fry (get the parents to spawn in one, move them to the next, spawn in there, move to display tank until the two spawns are sold).

Will this be big enough for the fry and discus? considering you could get 400fry?

Probably, with enough water changes. But from what I know, 50 fry is more common per batch (taking survival rated into account).

Next is,filtration. Could i buy a 1000L filter ( plenty of power) and connect it up to the parents tank, and the growing out tank, then have a air pump filter on the new fry tank?

Probably, but have fun with the pipework.

My last question, If i was to have my own brine shrimp hatchery, would i be able to get enough for the fry to feed them twice a day?

If you have enough batches going at the same time, sure.

The most important question is, have you already sorted out a buyer for the fish? Or do you plan to sell them off to hobbyists?

But to be honest, with 3 goldfish in a 5 gallon tank, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Please sort them out a new home before you even think about new fish.

Hi, thanks for the response, yes i know 3 gold fish and 15 gallon community tank, i know, that was many years ago!, i do have 2 comanys interested atm. And i won't be adding any substrate, only breeding comb and heater

I can't help with most of your questions, but with regard to the filter I would give this advice.

I am assuming the "Parents Tank" and "Growing out Tank" are going to be separate versions of the units you are highlighting, not just sections within the one unit? and if you mean a 1000 l/h filter I would say that is not really enough for the main tank alone. Because the quoted flow rates are often without any media there is a pretty large drop off to what you actually get.

Forgetting the growing out tank for this theory and looking just a one 4'x15"x15" tank, that's about 177 l.

with a 1000 l/h you are looking at a turnover of 5.6 times/hour, I normally look for between 8 and 10 turnover at rated flow to ensure there is sufficient real flow (for example, my Rio 400 has an eagle aquatic HW-304 (rated 2000 l/h) and a fluval 405 (rated 1300 l/h) giving a total turnover of 8.25 per hour).

For your "parents tank" I would be looking for total filtration rated at between 1400 l/h and 1800 l/h, if you plan to attach the "Growing out Tank" to the same system you will need more filtration as appropriate

Thanks for the response, will think about that then, hmm , i'll look more into the filtration side

Do you know where i can get these tanks, i plan to buy 1 2tier 4ft stand, so maybe 2x 2ft aquariums then 1 4ft aquarium ?

Thanks, what do you think of this tank, would it be big enough for the pair to be in on the divided areas in the bottom, then fry in the other, and grow out at the top?, justr asking

Hi, this is my questions, but first, please treat this like i am a breeder, not 14 as many of you do, thanks alot
[…]
Many questions about discus fish. I would like to breed them, but have never kept them before, ive been keeping fish for 7+ years and would like to breed and sell them.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to not point out your age? Now that's all I can think about also, if you don't breed fish intentionally, you're not a breeder yet.

Would this tank be alrite? […]

Should be, assuming you're not having any substrate or nothing more than 5 mm of sand or something like that, otherwise you would want a taller tank probably (although most people do now use large tanks). Personally, I wouldn't want to keep a pair of fish in a breeding tank in the long term, so I would have a "home" tank, probably a 6*2*2 ft with 6-10 discus and then the two 4ft tanks for fry (get the parents to spawn in one, move them to the next, spawn in there, move to display tank until the two spawns are sold).

Will this be big enough for the fry and discus? considering you could get 400fry?

Probably, with enough water changes. But from what I know, 50 fry is more common per batch (taking survival rated into account).

Next is,filtration. Could i buy a 1000L filter ( plenty of power) and connect it up to the parents tank, and the growing out tank, then have a air pump filter on the new fry tank?

Probably, but have fun with the pipework.

My last question, If i was to have my own brine shrimp hatchery, would i be able to get enough for the fry to feed them twice a day?

If you have enough batches going at the same time, sure.

The most important question is, have you already sorted out a buyer for the fish? Or do you plan to sell them off to hobbyists?

But to be honest, with 3 goldfish in a 5 gallon tank, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Please sort them out a new home before you even think about new fish.

Hi, thanks for the response, yes i know 3 gold fish and 15 gallon community tank, i know, that was many years ago!, i do have 2 comanys interested atm. And i won't be adding any substrate, only breeding comb and heater

I can't help with most of your questions, but with regard to the filter I would give this advice.

I am assuming the "Parents Tank" and "Growing out Tank" are going to be separate versions of the units you are highlighting, not just sections within the one unit? and if you mean a 1000 l/h filter I would say that is not really enough for the main tank alone. Because the quoted flow rates are often without any media there is a pretty large drop off to what you actually get.

Forgetting the growing out tank for this theory and looking just a one 4'x15"x15" tank, that's about 177 l.

with a 1000 l/h you are looking at a turnover of 5.6 times/hour, I normally look for between 8 and 10 turnover at rated flow to ensure there is sufficient real flow (for example, my Rio 400 has an eagle aquatic HW-304 (rated 2000 l/h) and a fluval 405 (rated 1300 l/h) giving a total turnover of 8.25 per hour).

For your "parents tank" I would be looking for total filtration rated at between 1400 l/h and 1800 l/h, if you plan to attach the "Growing out Tank" to the same system you will need more filtration as appropriate

Thanks for the response, will think about that then, hmm , i'll look more into the filtration side

Do you know where i can get these tanks, i plan to buy 1 2tier 4ft stand, so maybe 2x 2ft aquariums then 1 4ft aquarium ?

Thanks, what do you think of this tank, would it be big enough for the pair to be in on the divided areas in the bottom, then fry in the other, and grow out at the top?, justr asking http/www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aquarium-Fish-Tank-Breeding-Heaters-Undergravel-Filters-Pump-T8-Light-Unit-/230672421493?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item35b525d275#ht_946wt_1396

 

[Tolak]

15" of water depth is not enough for adult discus. The bottom tank is 15" deep. If anything put a divider in the top tank, use that for pairs, the bottom for growout.