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Anything above 0 for nitrite and ammonia needs a water change. I always do 75% changes but maybe that's excessive. I'll ask my go to fish guide @AdoraBelle Dearheart

Not excessive, some people like @seangee do 75% every week, I do between 50 and 75% per week, and larger water changes are better than smaller ones. When it's about ammonia/nitrites, larger ones are safer, especially if it's likely to rise again, like in an uncycled tank. Doing a 75% change instead of a 50% is more likely to reduce it to zero than a 50% change and buy more time until the next days test/water change.

The only times I can think of when a large water change would be bad news would be if the temperature wasn't matched or at least very close, since a sudden big swing in temp will put fish into shock, often fatally - or if the tank has gone without large water changes for a long time.

Like when I took over maintaining my dad's nightmare tank, and learned about the nitrogen cycle and water changes. For years he'd only been using soft rainwater, not doing regular water changes, and mostly just topping up the tank, not changing out water. Over time, this means lots of different aspects of the water chemistry have drifted away from the chemistry of the source water, and of course, nitrates were sky high. Off the API charts kind of high, well over 200ppm. I know it must have been that high since it took several partial water changes just to bring it down to a readable level, let alone to 5-10ppm.

Since the tank water was so different from source water and tap water, and the fish had done their best to adapt to these over the years, if I'd gone straight in with a 75% tap water change, I'd have likely killed the whole tank. Aquarium co op has a good video on 'old tank syndrome' which helped me a lot. I had to do many small water changes over a period of weeks, both to reduce the nitrate level gradually, and the other untestable water chemistry differences, but also to gradually move the tank over to a mix of rainwater and tapwater, gradually increasing the hardness.

So that's one reason we advocate for large weekly water changes. Tank chemistry drifts over time, things like pH and lots of other qualities, so large changes keep your tank water chemically close to your source water in many ways, not just in terms of reducing ammonia/nitrites/nitrates. With old tank syndrome, should an emergency large water change be needed, like if a tank broke, a whole tub of fish food got dumped in etc, the large water change is essential, but just as dangerous to the fish because of the large and sudden change in so many aspects of the water chemistry. Stable levels and gradual changes are even more important to fish than ideal levels. That's one reason we say not to try to alter your pH using chemicals. A constantly fluctuating pH is worse for the fish than a pH that is outside of their ideal range.

Sorry for the essay! All that to say, yes, larger water changes tend to be better than smaller ones, except in a few cases. It's one reason the template asks how often and how large water changes tend to be for someone who is experiencing a problem.
I also decided to check the temperature, which was only 24o - it turns out that the heater was calibrated wrong.

  • Installed TWO heaters, both set at 26o

The new thermometers seem to be heating to 27o, I presume that's a good temperature with loaches in there?
I've made three baby cardinals die since raising the temperature, is 30o too hot for them?

Since you lost some fish before adjusted the temp, can't tell whether the temperature changes or the original cause of the fish deaths is to blame for the baby cardinals. I'm sorry for your losses :(

But the temp has fluctuated a lot over the last few days, that increases stress, and yes, 30 degrees C (86 F) is too hot for them to be maintained at. It should be survivable for them though, since that's the temp we'd raise to to treat ich for a couple of weeks, but wouldn't be safe in the long term. You do need to reduce it though and try to stablise it, adjust only a degree or two at a time, giving them a few hours to adjust before dropping it again.
I've just tried the tetra app, on some sticks I was given, and this data was after the 80% water change.

The strips are in date, so I'm concerned about the NO2:

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Are you able to purchase a liquid test kit like the API one? Dip strips are not the most accurate, and it might be making all of this harder to figure out. API kits are good value since they're not only more accurate, but you get hundreds of tests out of a kit, compared to paying the same price for maybe 50 or so potentially inaccurate dip tests.

That level of nitites though is dangerous, I'd do another 75% water change, then test again, and possibly test your tap water, see if something strange is going on there.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write all of that, very kind of you.

The 30o is indeed to treat ich so it will only be that high for another 12 days.

I'll test again tomorrow and see what the NO2 is, and am looking into liquid test kits: the API one does have great reviews!
 
Thank you for taking the time to write all of that, very kind of you.

The 30o is indeed to treat ich so it will only be that high for another 12 days.

I'll test again tomorrow and see what the NO2 is, and am looking into liquid test kits: the API one does have great reviews!
I would not wait until tomorrow. If the test kit is right and your nitrites are that high, your fish are suffering and may not survive until tomorrow. Better to water change now than risk losing the rest before tomorrow.

Do you have an airstone running in the tank, or a sponge filter? Increased temp means the water holds less oxygen, and the fish can struggle, so increasing oxygenation is needed. Are you using any kind of medication for the ich?
 
I've literally just done 80% water change a couple of hours ago. Will test tap water - maybe there's an issue with the testing strips.

Yes, two airstones running constantly.
 
So, this is interesting, I decided to test out some tap water, I really doubt that there's no chlorine in London, let alone the NO2 reading:
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The maximum permissible nitrite concentration in UK tap water is 0.5 mg/l.
If that reading is correct it should be reported. It also means that you cannot ever get your tank water to a lower value than the tap water by simple dilution. In an established tank this should not matter because the filter can deal with the nitrite, so you should never have the condition where the nitrite in the tank is higher than in the tap.

While we don't know that your strips are accurate in my experience the tetra strips are good enough to tell the difference between zero and not zero. Personally if the tank is showing higher nitrites than the tap I would do another water change. Even if inaccurate the strips should be able to distinguish between higher and lower. That last sentence is an assumption on my part because I have never seen a non zero reading in an established tank.

Nitrite weakens and kills fish relatively quickly - so if in doubt I would err on the side of caution.
 
Update is that London nitrates are up to 50mg/l, and averaging around 30 where I live - so I've no hope of bringing them down other than a specialist filter. I'm trying purigen to begin with, but mixed views in whether or not it actually reduces nitrate. Time will tell.

Most of the fish have died - no ammonia, no nitrite according to liquid test so I'm pretty sure not a cycling issue. External filter has been cleaned. I'm not sure if the tiny cardinals were too small to cope with the high nitrates and the raised temperature (to deal with ich), but they've all died - I've just remembered while typing this that there was some debate in the LFS (staff) as to whether or not they were ready to be sold. I've only 1 clown left, a platy, two cories and a small pleco like fish (one of the types that won't grow really big).

The only thing I can think of, other than being really unlucky from the LFS, is that there's something in the tank that's not being picked up. There is compost under the gravel, and I'm wondering if this is causing the issue (although it's been OK for years, maybe it should not be left in there for years) - there is often a layer of mud coloured sediment on the leaves.

Be grateful for any wisdom....
 
London water is notoriously hard. I would be surprised if your GH readings posted earlier are accurate. Most cardinals sold in the UK are wild caught which means that until recently they were in clean soft water in a South American river. Then they were caught, shipped to the UK and on top of all that stress got the double whammy of hard water and high nitrates.

My LFS claims it "hardens" softwater fish by acclimation. When I asked what this meant they acknowleged that they dump them into hard water and any that survive the first 2 weeks are put out for sale. They also acknowleged that their mortality rate was well over 50% :confused:. Yet when I ask why they keep cardinals in particular in hard water they always answer don't worry they have been hardened up. This really annoys me because I don't want to buy soft water fish that have been weakened by being dumped into hard water. But for them its all about money. I live in a hard water area and they sell a lot of soft water fish because there is a demand for them.
 

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