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Hello,

I have just noticed that one of my threads has just been deleted. First it was edited and then deleted which I feel was unnecessary. It would be nice to be informed via PM why a thread has been deleted in order to stop posters making the same mistake again.

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Wouldn't bother, I've never known the mods here to ackowledge they could possibly do things better than they already do...so I suggest just live with it.
 
Wouldn't bother, I've never known the mods here to ackowledge they could possibly do things better than they already do...so I suggest just live with it.
I doubt you'll find a mod here that would say "I couldn't do this any better". Given adequate time online we all could. I would also say that there are many posters that, if they reflected a little on what they were going to say before they posted, a lot of the work we are expected to tidy up wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

In regards to the OP, I can only see one post of yours in the deleted post archive, although I didn't put it there. I would refer you to the rules of the Buy/Sell/Swap forum. I would also point out that "summarily removed" does not usually engender an explanation. Your original post was edited not removed - people could still have PM'd you for details - that was actually a favour - the advert could have been "summarily removed" as per the rules.

As per your comment on the rules, (in the deleted thread), well, they are the rules. They were decided after a VERY long discussion and are as the mods and Admin agreed. They are what you agree to abide by when opening your account.
 
Yes I realize it was edited first, but then a few days later it was removed when it wasn't breaking any rules. I just feel it was removed because I said I found it impractical that you can't post ebay links within this part of the site. It seems like you have to choose to either sell it on ebay or on the forums.

At the time of deletion it wasn't breaking any rules.

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It seems that at least one mod has no idea about how helpful it would be to actually tell the member what the problem was. This would take seconds and not to do so is pretty bad form in my book. This is pretty much the only area I can fault the modding staff. If you are really lucky they might point you towards a long list of ruls and say you should abide them, but not actually say which part has been contravened.
 
I also agree with andywg, I also had one of my thread deleted too quiet awhile back. I was never contacted and told why it was removed or given a chance to edit it. I still don't know what I did wrong -_- .
 
Yes I realize it was edited first, but then a few days later it was removed when it wasn't breaking any rules. I just feel it was removed because I said I found it impractical that you can't post ebay links within this part of the site. It seems like you have to choose to either sell it on ebay or on the forums.

At the time of deletion it wasn't breaking any rules.

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I edited the thread initially to remove the link. I didn't delete it but i suspect the fact that when you edited the post, you removed my note aswell, which in turn, made your reply seem like a general moan didn't help. I'm guessing that's why it was deleted - it would look like a general dig at the forum.

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@OP - It would seem that Ferris had, indeed left you a message which you removed when editing. andywg please note.

@Mikaila31 - Since the search is not working at the moment, ( :rolleyes: ), I can't search the deleted posts to see why yours was deleted. Very few posts are deleted, and those that are, when taken in the context of the board rules, are usually done for obvious reasons. If you know a rough date I'll have a look.

@andywg - The Buy/Sell/Swap forum was close to being closed. It was causing so much aggro and trouble, some thought it better gone. There were literally weeks, possibly months of debate, discussion and navel gazing in the mod room while we worked out a way forward. The final solution was that it would stay open, the special rules would be posted, and the board would be modded pretty hard.

In general, I PM someone if I remove a post. This takes time, and what you need to consider here is not just the time it takes to post "I removed your post because it broke rule 6", it is the often protracted debate that then goes on via PM between the mod and the members who simply refuse to accept the rules.

As for pointing someone at the rules, well, they should have read them already. If someone posts a link and the rules state "no links, posts will be summarily removed", I don't think it takes much effort to deduce the reason for their posts demise.
 
Yes I realize it was edited first, but then a few days later it was removed when it wasn't breaking any rules. I just feel it was removed because I said I found it impractical that you can't post ebay links within this part of the site. It seems like you have to choose to either sell it on ebay or on the forums.

At the time of deletion it wasn't breaking any rules.

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I edited the thread initially to remove the link. I didn't delete it but i suspect the fact that when you edited the post, you removed my note aswell, which in turn, made your reply seem like a general moan didn't help. I'm guessing that's why it was deleted - it would look like a general dig at the forum.

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Still a general dig at the forum isn't against the rules is it? It was just an opinion.

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@andywg - The Buy/Sell/Swap forum was close to being closed. It was causing so much aggro and trouble, some thought it better gone. There were literally weeks, possibly months of debate, discussion and navel gazing in the mod room while we worked out a way forward. The final solution was that it would stay open, the special rules would be posted, and the board would be modded pretty hard.

In general, I PM someone if I remove a post. This takes time, and what you need to consider here is not just the time it takes to post "I removed your post because it broke rule 6", it is the often protracted debate that then goes on via PM between the mod and the members who simply refuse to accept the rules.
At least you do that. Some mods will just say read the rules, without even giving a chance to debate. And why shouldn't there occasionally be debate? We all know that mods just simply get it wrong from time to time, or interpret things differently.

If the mods are really using the excuse "there isn't enough time" as an explanation for not telling people what they actually did wrong then we need more mods. It's as simple as that.

Are you saying that you and the modding staff cannot cope and need more mods?
 
Are you saying that you and the modding staff cannot cope and need more mods?
I can't speak for the other mods - to do so would be inappropriate.

I believe that if people read the rules and abided by them, there would be little need to act on posts. There are always a few idiots that join just to spam, swear or troll - they get a kick out of it when members don't recognise them for what they are and rise to the bait. It's the internet - it happens.

There are some long term members who deliberately "explore the envelope" as well. They have their own reasons for doing so. They diminish their own standing in my mind.

I also believe that there are a class of "perps" who break the rules deliberately with the express purpose of entering into long winded arguments with mods because they like to. Mods far too often humour them and engage in weeks of protracted debate over a point which becomes less and less relevent as the debate develops until such time that the debate is the "thing" and the original point is already forgotten. Ignore their messages and you get lambasted in public for "not addressing the legitimate concerns of a member" - publish their drivel, and you are "abusing your power as a mod".

If there is an eBay link thread, and I have nothing better to do then, yes, I will PM the perp to say what they did wrong. If I have a dozen of them, and other threads that require serious attention, then I may well not.

I believe on a fish forum, that getting answers to fish keepers problems is more important then stroking the ego's of clowns - perhaps you disagree?
 
Are you saying that you and the modding staff cannot cope and need more mods?
I can't speak for the other mods - to do so would be inappropriate.

But from your above posts you are stating that you are too busy and cannot do the modding as you would wish as there is too much. ;)

I believe that if people read the rules and abided by them, there would be little need to act on posts. There are always a few idiots that join just to spam, swear or troll - they get a kick out of it when members don't recognise them for what they are and rise to the bait. It's the internet - it happens.

Indeed it does, but that is not what I am referring to.

There are some long term members who deliberately "explore the envelope" as well. They have their own reasons for doing so. They diminish their own standing in my mind.

And no doubt your standing is always at the forefront of their mind while they do this. ;)

I also believe that there are a class of "perps" who break the rules deliberately with the express purpose of entering into long winded arguments with mods because they like to. Mods far too often humour them and engage in weeks of protracted debate over a point which becomes less and less relevent as the debate develops until such time that the debate is the "thing" and the original point is already forgotten. Ignore their messages and you get lambasted in public for "not addressing the legitimate concerns of a member" - publish their drivel, and you are "abusing your power as a mod".

However, when the mod doesn't even give a reason for what they do then they really are looking like they are abusing their power. By all means don't enter into a debate with someone, but threatening someone with a ban for "breaking the rules" without even having the common decency to knock up a 2 line PM to say what part of the rules are in effect is pretty shocking in my book and horrendous bad form. I had to talk to other sensible mods to even get a response from a mod, and that response was awful.

Events where the mods put themselves in such a bad light do nothing for this forum. I used to back them to the hilt for the difficult job they do, but now it seems they are slipping and can't be bothered to put their hands up and say "We are a bit busy now, shall we get a couple of extra hands in to help so we can continue to provide a decent service".

If there is an eBay link thread, and I have nothing better to do then, yes, I will PM the perp to say what they did wrong. If I have a dozen of them, and other threads that require serious attention, then I may well not.

I believe on a fish forum, that getting answers to fish keepers problems is more important then stroking the ego's of clowns - perhaps you disagree?
Quite so, but when threatening members with bans, perhaps the mods should actually tell people what they did wrong, n'est ce pas? And this is more than just a fish forum, or else we wouldn't have all the off topic stuff littered around. The off topic stuff is an attempt at creating a community. A community with enforcers who are accountable to no one and don't even have the inclination to explain why they do what they do is hardly the best way forwards.

And as to "stroking the ego's [sic] of clowns", what clarifies someone as a clown? Some, such as the spammage I can understand, but what about when someone doesn't believe they did anything wrong, and neither do 3 other mods. Is someone a clown then for wanting an explanation of why they are being threatened with being banned but not being told why? I certainly don't think so.

How strange that the mods agree that they can do things better, but when given suggestions on what is wrong with the modding process from a member's view they just blow that advice out.
 
I will admit i rarely contact the OP when i move or remove a thread, likewise if a member is deliberately breaking the rules i will suspend their account without notice. There is a list of rules that all members have to agree to and check the box when they join the site and if they break these rules then the action requires no further notice.

If you get caught by a speed camera you get sent a fine whether or not you saw the camera or realised that you were speeding.
 
I will admit i rarely contact the OP when i move or remove a thread, likewise if a member is deliberately breaking the rules i will suspend their account without notice. There is a list of rules that all members have to agree to and check the box when they join the site and if they break these rules then the action requires no further notice.

If you get caught by a speed camera you get sent a fine whether or not you saw the camera or realised that you were speeding.
But they also tell you what you were doing, where you doing it, when you were doing it and explain exactly which section of motoring law you have contravened. In addition they provide photographic evidence to show that it was you.

They do not send you a letter saying "you done bad driving, cough up £60".

I still say, what happens if someone doesn't realise they have broken the rules?
 

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