Decent Size Pufferfish

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Im going to college next year so I had to sell my 75 gallon tank along with my 15 inch albino oscar. I just bought a 29 gallon tank because I needed something smaller to move around and have come to the conclusion I only want one fish. Since I came from a huge fish that eats anything, I want a mean Puffer thats messy with its prey and that can eat feeder fish a few times a week and occasionall shrimp and snails for their teeth. I had a Jaguar cichlid prior to my oscar and it was violent, but it wasnt quite an eye catcher for such a small size, thats why I want a freshwater blowfish(puffer). Anyone have any thoughts on which kind I should be looking at? Ive researched a lot and have came down to 2, the Turgidus (common),and the Modestus (bronze), my fear is that these might be hard to find in local aquariums...Are these rare and are they active fish that dont hide all the time?
 
I'd think you'd have more choices on the puffer if you'd go brackish.
And Id suppose they would be more colorful too but is it a lot harder to maintain? I can handle cleaning every weekend because of their messy habbits but im worried that might be too much work?
 
I'd say a pufferfish is a bad choice of pet if you want something that will eat feeder fish. The reasons for this are that not only do they not have fish typically in their diet, puffers are so variable in personality some may not even eat feeder fish you give to them. Most puffers (especially those for a 29g or smaller) will be creatures that eat mainly snails, cockles, mussels, shrimp etc, not fish. Puffers also should be given a reasonably varied diet as well in my experience.

I'd think you'd have more choices on the puffer if you'd go brackish.

Where is the evidence to support this?

The puffers typically offered in stores are -

Figure 8 puffer
Green Spotted puffer
Ceylon puffer
Porcupine puffer
Dogface puffer
South American Puffer
Congo Puffer
Fahaka Puffer
Mbu Puffer
Irrubesco puffer
Lorteti puffer
Fangs puffer

etc

Only the top 3 are considered brackish, and the GSP and Ceylon is considered to need marine conditions in adulthood. There are plenty more puffers available that I haven't listed here that are freshwater (or marine) also, so to say brackish would increase the options is simply not true.

As for a single, aggressive puffer in a 30 gallon tank, the first thing I'd say is that this fish won't be big. Puffers are messy creatures, and when kept in tanks they need to have generous amounts of space to dilute the vast amounts of pollution they create. For a 30g you could keep -

"Auriglobus modestus" - The bronze puffer. This fish would have plenty of room in a 30, but they max out at 4". I think this is one of the few puffers that is piscovorious, but I couldn't be sure.

"Carinotetraodon irrubesco" - the red eye red tail puffer - These fish max out at 2 inches, and are shy.

"Carinotetraodon lorteti" - Red eye puffer - Same as above

"Carinotetraodon travancoricus" - Dwarf puffer. They max out at around an inch, and are great fish, but I doubt it's what you're looking for.

"Colomesus asellus" - South american puffer. Max out at 4" and are mostly timid enough to cohabit with other creatures.

"Tetraodon cochinchinensis" - Fangs puffer. Max out at 4" also, and are quite often shy fish.

"Tetraodon Miurus" - Congo puffer. Gets up to 6inches, very aggressive, but as it is an ambush fish, won't swim around a whole lot.

"Tetraodon palembangensis" - - King kong puffer. Also an ambush fish.

"Tetraodon suvattii" - Pig nose puffer. Gets to 6 inches, but doesn't swim around a whole lot.




Those are the freshwater puffers suitable for your tank there, of which, only the last 3 really get to any size, and they are all ambush fish that won't swim around a whole lot. I imagine they would eat feeder fish though, although I wouldn't feed them feeder fish more than once a week...


For a brackish water tank here are your options -

"Tetraodon biocellatus" - Figure 8 puffer. Grows to 3 inches, and requires light brackish water. I doubt it would be big enough to eat feeders.

"Tetraodon fluviatilis" - Ceylon puffer. grows to 6 inches, and requires full marine conditions as adult.

"Tetraodon Nigroviridis" - Green spotted puffer. Same care as above.



Personally, I would reconsider having a puffer for a tank that you would want to feed feeders to, as the fish that would eat feeder fish, are all the opposite of what you want, eg, they're slow moving ambush fish that will bury and hide themselves. Coupled with the fact that it isn't in their natural diet a lot of the time, makes for a fish that doesn't really exist in my experience.
 
The Modestus is what I want to go with...Im not planning on feeding it live fish for its entire diet, I just want to be able to feed it live fish every once in a while, I understant most of them are criticle to the dead food.
 
The Modestus is what I want to go with...Im not planning on feeding it live fish for its entire diet, I just want to be able to feed it live fish every once in a while, I understant most of them are criticle to the dead food.


The modestus would most likely eat small live feeders, but be aware that it would be quite inhumane; their hunting method is to chase their prey to exhaustion and then bite small parts off it. So yes, it would eat live feeders, but then again, it might just chase it to death, meaning you're going to probably have a hard time with pollution in the tank. Let us know how you get on though, as I don't know of anyone that specifically feeds bronze puffers feeder fish.
 
Why on Earth is "must eat feeder fish" a criterion for choosing a pet?

Feeder fish -- done properly -- are a hassle; you need to breed your own, and then gut-load them to ensure the predator gets a healthy diet. Puffers (indeed, most other predatory fish) cannot survive on goldfish or rosy red minnows alone because of the vitamin-E problem. Livebearers are the only really safe and easy option. Cheap livebearers from pet stores are often parasite time-bombs and need to be quarantined first. If you're in college, surely having one tank for the puffer and another for the livebearers is going to be a nuisance?

Besides, for most puffers, shelly foods, whether shrimps or snails, will need to be a good 50% of the diet, if only because they need their teeth to be worn down. Frozen shrimps, krill, etc., will do this adequately well if rounded off with a few live snails each week.

Whilst I personally don't like to use live feeder fish, I have used them in very specific situations with wild-caught fish that wouldn't eat anything else. And always as a first step towards training the fish to accept dead food. Make sure you read the Feeder Fish Mini-FAQ. As Fella has said, there's a fine line between providing a fish with food and simply being cruel. With puffers, there's absolutely no reason to feed them feeder fish, and many reasons to do otherwise. All the experts on puffers will recommend snails, mussels, shrimps, and other invertebrate foods for ALL pufferfish species.

I had some pet fish when I was at university, and they provided me with much entertainment. Puffers are a good choice, but some other small-but-quirky pets include the smaller bichirs, rare livebearers, dwarf pike cichlids, and, if you're up for marines, mantis shrimps (almost indestructible animals, and very easy to keep). Mantis shrimps were my favourites, especially at feeding time. If you want death and destruction, offer them a small clam and stand well back!

Cheers,

Neale
 
Neale and Fella have provided you with some good advice.


Only the top 3 are considered brackish, and the GSP and Ceylon is considered to need marine conditions in adulthood. There are plenty more puffers available that I haven't listed here that are freshwater (or marine) also, so to say brackish would increase the options is simply not true.
Green Spotted Puffers and Ceylon Puffer do not need to be in full marine conditions when mature. There is simply no evidence supporting this other than what hobbyists have said. Green Spotted Puffers and Ceylons are estuarine fish. They live within the estuary where the SG fluctuates daily and in large amounts. At times the estuary may have full strength marine water, but this is for only a period of time. Remember, when the estuary is at full strength marine water, it is just at the moment a saltwater estuary, not a sea or ocean. GSP's and Ceylon puffer do not inhabit any permanent body of saltwater such as ocean or sea. GSP's and Ceylon can live at anything from a SG of 1.010 to full marine conditions, just remember to fluctuate the SG a little. I would also like to add that the Target Puffer would be another choice if you went brackish. Also the Topaz Puffer could be another option although I would not keep a 7 inch puffer in a 29 gallon tank.


A small sized piranha may be what you are looking for. Some of the smaller Serrasalmus species piranha can live in a 29 gallon tank such as Serrasalmus sanchezi, Serrasalmus altuvei, Serrasalmus eigenmanni, or Catoprion mento . Although personally I would suggest at least a slightly larger tank for these species, they should do fine in a 29 gallon tank with heavy filtration and frequent water changes.
 
i have a silly/stupid suggestion and it may be the only time i ever suggest this, what about a piranha?

not sure about anything, but i know they dont get huge and can be kept alone
 
I just suggested some Serrasalmus species of piranhas above. :D
 
Oh, another idea might be one of the smaller snakeheads; there are various sub-30 cm species, some of which are extremely attractive fish. I kept (what I think was) Channa asiatica, and it was lovely. Easy going, very tolerant of other fish, and ate anything. Yes, it will eat small fish, but it will eat pretty much anything else, from bits of squid through to earthworms. A nice fish.

Cheers,

Neale
 
Thank you all for your great responces. I find a pufferfish ideal because if your going to have one fish, why not make it look unique, different. I misworded my past posts, I want to feed it dead food, but I also want to be able to ocasionally feed it live fish. (maybe once a week) If they can do that, I can live :lol: Also, I highly doubt Piranahs are legal down here in Az, the pond temps are too perfect for them.
 
Also, I highly doubt Piranahs are legal down here in Az, the pond temps are too perfect for them.
Yup, Piranhas are illegal in Arizona.
 
Neale and Fella have provided you with some good advice.


Only the top 3 are considered brackish, and the GSP and Ceylon is considered to need marine conditions in adulthood. There are plenty more puffers available that I haven't listed here that are freshwater (or marine) also, so to say brackish would increase the options is simply not true.
Green Spotted Puffers and Ceylon Puffer do not need to be in full marine conditions when mature. There is simply no evidence supporting this other than what hobbyists have said. Green Spotted Puffers and Ceylons are estuarine fish. They live within the estuary where the SG fluctuates daily and in large amounts. At times the estuary may have full strength marine water, but this is for only a period of time. Remember, when the estuary is at full strength marine water, it is just at the moment a saltwater estuary, not a sea or ocean. GSP's and Ceylon puffer do not inhabit any permanent body of saltwater such as ocean or sea. GSP's and Ceylon can live at anything from a SG of 1.010 to full marine conditions, just remember to fluctuate the SG a little. I would also like to add that the Target Puffer would be another choice if you went brackish. Also the Topaz Puffer could be another option although I would not keep a 7 inch puffer in a 29 gallon tank.


I agree entriely, i don't feel personally that GSPs and ceylons require full marine as adults, but I cannot give advice on them as I haven't kept those particular species.

Which target puffer did you mean for brackish? I have a Tetraodon cochinchinensis (also known as the target puffer) and to me it is certainly a freshwater fish. I'm well aware there may well be another species under the same common name though!
 

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