Cycling Frustration

LionessN3cubs

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I think Im doing something wrong. In the pinned post on cycling it says it should take about a week for ammonia to drop to 0 the first time. Granted I had screwed up from the time I added the ammonia by putting too much in and so, I did about a 50% water change last thursday I think it was. I got my ammonia level down to measurable at 5.0. Counting from the time I did the water change, its been a week with NO change in the ammonia at all. Its still at 5.0. The nitrite looks like it may have changed from a very VERY brilliant yellow (0) to a SLIGHTLY orange tinged yellow but that is ALL and even that is so slight Im not sure if its wishful thinking or not. I dont know what to do if the ammonia doesnt ever start dropping? Does that ever happen where ammonia WONT process? Any suggestions?

also forgot to mention that since I put the heater in a couple of days ago, the water has gotten extremely cloudy. I dont think thats from the heater tho since the temp had been going that high when the lights were on and that didnt make the water cloudy then. Is the cloudiness supposed to happen?
 
Should have zero clouds !!!!! And heat is good.... please read the pinned topic(s) on fishless cycling, also note, this could take WEEKS.... but the wait is worth it.

I would advise you to strip and CLEAN everything, before starting afresh ....
 
are you KIDDING ME? start all the way back over all the way to ripping it all back apart and washing it all over again? OMG my kids are gonna kill me. Think if I have to go back that far I'll just buy some goldfish that can cycle it all for me since Im apparently too dumb to manage fishless...this is insane. I've had this tank set up since easter.
 
It's sometimes happens that nothing actually happens. I tried a cycling experiment once and the ammonia didn't change for 18 days. I finally started over. What is your pH? It's possible that your pH is too low and the bacteria aren't developing as bacterial reprodection slows at lower pH levels. I would suggest a 100% water change (don't think I would go through the full tank cleaning unless you suspect you got something in the tank that has caused the problem) and then add the ammonia again but only start with about 2 or 3 ppm until it starts to process.
 
I swear Im losing my mind. Here I was thinking that I did the big water change last thursday before I left for the weekend ..went back in my postings on the board and see that I just did the big change on monday and got the ammonia levels back on the charts. Im going to give it a few more days to see what happens. I really do want to do this the right way :::sigh:::
 
It's sometimes happens that nothing actually happens. I tried a cycling experiment once and the ammonia didn't change for 18 days. I finally started over. What is your pH? It's possible that your pH is too low and the bacteria aren't developing as bacterial reprodection slows at lower pH levels. I would suggest a 100% water change (don't think I would go through the full tank cleaning unless you suspect you got something in the tank that has caused the problem) and then add the ammonia again but only start with about 2 or 3 ppm until it starts to process.


My ph is testing at 7.5 which I understand should be fine?
 
I sympathize with you Lioness, it can be really hard not to get sucked into the parent thing of feeling like you are the one who is supposed to deliver the fun, colorful fish to the kids. I admit that its been tough for me too. My kid is not the nerdy type (whoops, scientifically inquisitive we should say) and has already memorized the details of the nitrogen cycle and doesn't really want to hear more about it! One of the strongest things that helps parents stay on course though is just thinking about how much less fun it would be to find yourself explaining why the fish died and then fishing out the bodies with a net.

I'm trying to think of the little things that have made things a tiny bit better for my son during fishless cycling... I got pretty big airstones and have them sending up big walls of bubbles in his tank. With the light on this at least lends an active feel to the tank and can look pretty when you are walking by. The notebook we use for our detailed daily log was found by him and has a cover with 3D holograms of fishes! He can do the tests with the testtubes and even if I do them I -always- try to let him "call it", which is when I ask him to match the test colors.

Another thing is to take along a little notebook to the closest fish stores and figure out how many tanks hold fishes that will grow too big for our tank and how many hold fishes that won't grow too big (at the PetSmart I was surprised that fully half or more would grow too big!)

Yet another idea that we've used was to investigate whether any really good fish stores were in drivable distance. We in fact found a couple and drove to one in a distant city and he got to take his time enjoying a large goldfish pond they had and hundreds of tanks. We picked out a ship decoration that is now in the tank.

Looking back at your thread it looks like barely underway, really only starting a couple days ago on Monday when you corrected the problem of the ammonia being too high. I would go ahead and take "rdd1952"s advice - he is our fishless teacher here - can really write clear advice. Check that pH and post it up here. It might be the problem - it was my problem I think, mine was dropping too low, but water changes helped.

Anyway, 3 kids may keep you too busy to read this but if you do get the chance I hope it might help a little.
Sincerely, ~~waterdrop~~

Yes, pH of 7.5 should be ok. Keep an eye on it (its an easy test to perform while waiting for the other timed tests usually) and if it drops to 6.0 then its definately time to waterchange.

~~waterdrop~~
 
I sympathize with you Lioness, it can be really hard not to get sucked into the parent thing of feeling like you are the one who is supposed to deliver the fun, colorful fish to the kids. I admit that its been tough for me too. My kid is not the nerdy type (whoops, scientifically inquisitive we should say) and has already memorized the details of the nitrogen cycle and doesn't really want to hear more about it! One of the strongest things that helps parents stay on course though is just thinking about how much less fun it would be to find yourself explaining why the fish died and then fishing out the bodies with a net.

I'm trying to think of the little things that have made things a tiny bit better for my son during fishless cycling... I got pretty big airstones and have them sending up big walls of bubbles in his tank. With the light on this at least lends an active feel to the tank and can look pretty when you are walking by. The notebook we use for our detailed daily log was found by him and has a cover with 3D holograms of fishes! He can do the tests with the testtubes and even if I do them I -always- try to let him "call it", which is when I ask him to match the test colors.

Another thing is to take along a little notebook to the closest fish stores and figure out how many tanks hold fishes that will grow too big for our tank and how many hold fishes that won't grow too big (at the PetSmart I was surprised that fully half or more would grow too big!)

Yet another idea that we've used was to investigate whether any really good fish stores were in drivable distance. We in fact found a couple and drove to one in a distant city and he got to take his time enjoying a large goldfish pond they had and hundreds of tanks. We picked out a ship decoration that is now in the tank.

Looking back at your thread it looks like barely underway, really only starting a couple days ago on Monday when you corrected the problem of the ammonia being too high. I would go ahead and take "rdd1952"s advice - he is our fishless teacher here - can really write clear advice. Check that pH and post it up here. It might be the problem - it was my problem I think, mine was dropping too low, but water changes helped.

Anyway, 3 kids may keep you too busy to read this but if you do get the chance I hope it might help a little.
Sincerely, ~~waterdrop~~


Thank you so much for the ideas on how to help the kiddos pass the time. Your right, better they suffer with an empty tank than with a pet burial.

I was looking up bacteria bloom and ...I dont think thats what this is. Its cloudy but not cloudy like THAT milky white kinda cloudy. More cloudy as in just not crystal clear. Do you all think I still need to be worrying about bacteria bloom? Also while I was looking into the tank I noticed that I have TONS of itty bitty bubbles zipping around the tank...presumably from the bubble wall I have in there. Is this normal and okay?
 
The more aeration in the tank the better as your tank is cycling.

I can only suggest to be more patient. I know it's hard, but patience is key when it comes to fishless cycling.
Not every cycle is going to go the same. Sometimes it starts up right away, sometimes it takes alot longer.
I think I remember someone here who did a fishless cycle that took 8 weeks to complete.
I know when I fishless cycled our 28gallon tank, it took that long as well (mainly b/c the pH was too low for the bacteria).

I'd do as rdd suggested, a big (if not complete) water change, and add in a smaller amount of ammonia to start off with. Maybe overdose on the dechlorinator as well just to make sure :)
 
We had a fishless cycle take 6 weeks once, just have a bit of patience and stick with it. if by 2 weeks in (as others have said countr from when you got the ammonia down to below 5ppm as that's when you really started) there's no movement then do a 90% water change and see what happens.
 
Fully agree the above comments.
We are unfortunatley cycling with fish due to bad advise and finding this forum too late. We have lost 3 fish and had 2 very unhappy children each time.The rest of the time I feel guilty about poisoning my fish and obsessively checking and rechecking water parameters...very expensive I might add.
 
One other factor that you recently changed was heating. A warmer tank will allow bacteria to grow faster than a cold one so be patient and things should work out. Your pH is fine as is. As others have said, the time is variable, it is not a chemistry experiment, we are working with living organisms.
 

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