thanks for the info i need to do more research i guess .. i love bettas and tried to breed one time but no luck.. guess that was a good thing....don't really have room for all that anyways think i want to start a new 10gal. don't know what kind of fish yet but i want to do it with sand instead of gravel this time.. maybe i think going to buy the pool sand... and find some rocks down at the san gabrial river and boil them. some drift wood and cycle for a few weeks before i decide on the fish..