Corydoras a bad idea?

Gravel is suitable to big Corydoras if it is smooth/polished. The video I posted is one amongst many others from well known breeder and champion of Corydoras.

I'm sorry to disagree, but this individual is wrong. All Corydoras need sand, they are filter feeders and they cannot filter feed gravel. There is no species of Corydoras that does not have sand in its natural habitat; some may have mixed substrates but sand (or mud) is always part of the substrate and they filter feed through it.

If you want someone who really is an authority on this group of fish, check Ian Fuller who owns Corydoras World, has collected hundreds of cories in South America and spawned them over the past several decades, has written books and articles, and had a newly described species recently named in his honour.
 
I'm sorry to disagree, but this individual is wrong. All Corydoras need sand, they are filter feeders and they cannot filter feed gravel. There is no species of Corydoras that does not have sand in its natural habitat; some may have mixed substrates but sand (or mud) is always part of the substrate and they filter feed through it.

If you want someone who really is an authority on this group of fish, check Ian Fuller who owns Corydoras World, has collected hundreds of cories in South America and spawned them over the past several decades, has written books and articles, and had a newly described species recently named in his honour.
i agree, you should try to match a fish with it's natural habitat as much as you can. though it is possible with smooth rock, it's best to use sand
 
Hello @Sgooosh Hello @Byron
I've just read some articles from Ian Fuller and he is talking about sand of course, but also gravel, emphasizing "smooth" like I did. Unfortunately Ian Fuller doesn't talk about granulometry which would be very helpful.
 
Hello @Sgooosh Hello @Byron
I've just read some articles from Ian Fuller and he is talking about sand of course, but also gravel, emphasizing "smooth" like I did. Unfortunately Ian Fuller doesn't talk about granulometry which would be very helpful.

I know Ian, I belong to his group, and we have discussed this issue. All cories should have sand as the substrate in their aquarium because this allows them to filter feed, and this instinct is programmed into the fish; it is also healthier. All habitats have sand or mud; those with mixed substrates that include larger grain material such as gravel also have a foundation of sand. Ian will not even allow an argument over this on his group, because it is pointless discussing against fact. Here is his file post on the subject, minus the illustrative photos which I can't reproduce:

Corydoradinae Habitat conditions

There are constantly discussions held on social media channels as to the correct substrate for Corydoradinae catfishes. So, I decided to put some of the facts together based on personal observation in many species of Corydoras’s natural habitats.

The first thing to remember with this group of fishes is that they are primarily filter feeders. They do not have cutting or crushing teeth like some of the predatory Catfish, nor do the have rasping teeth like the grazing Loricariid Catfish, these fish will sift the substrate, which in the majority of cases is sand.

Smooth sand which been created over millions of years by the constant tumbling action of moving water, whether it be the oceans tidal and wave actions or the constant varying flow of rivers. The more the flow and tumbling action the finer the sand becomes.

In some areas the sand found can be fairly course, and grains could be as large as one millimetre, or as fine as caster sugar, the one thing that will be common is that the grains will be smooth and not sharp and gritty like quarried sand as use in the building industry.

Over many years I have spent many hours watching, and filming Cory’s feeding, in some cases it is quite comical, especially with the larger straight (Lineage 8) and curved (Lineage 1) snouted species who tend to bury the deepest, Some almost completely burying themselves when they dive right in searching out the food they sense is there. I have taken video clips of the feeding actions of several species from different lineages. And all, even the smallest species will mouth the sand.

Many people argue and state that “Their Cory’s are perfectly happy living over gravel”. But I find it very difficult to see how they can determine the happiness of a fish. They may be surviving and because they are actively scurrying around in their constant hunt for food are seen as being happy.

I have seen video’s on face book showing the presenter displaying a rough irregular gravel they discovered at a particular location and stating that Cory’s are happy living amongst it. However, I know and have collected in that very location many times and the gravel compound that the person in the video is showing is actually part of the aggregate that was used during the construction of the relatively new nearby road bridge.

There are places where there are gravel, pebble and rock rivers and streams, but when taking a good look at some of these places the streams and riverbeds are sand. The natural habitat of C. weitzmani is one such place. I have never seen deep layers of a single sizes gravel; it is always a range of many variable sizes and usually it appears as a widespread scattering.

The biggest problem with using any type of gravel in an aquarium is that food particles will fall between the particles and decompose, and if the aquarium is not maintained and or filtered adequately the water quality will deteriorate very quickly. The other danger as far as keeping Cory’s over gravel is the fact that they cannot easily move gravel to access the particles of food within it, and if the gravel is of anything other than smooth and rounded particles they can and often do damage their delicate barbels and mouths parts.

As I hinted at earlier, different forms and sizes of Cory will feed at different levels in the substrate, from dwarf species working the surface, medium round snouted species delving five or six millimetres into it, and the larger straight and saddle snouted species often burying themselves.

Regarding decoration, naturally there are few plant laden habitats, most are plain sand streams and riverbeds, in swampy areas there may be some vegetation, but there will certainly be lots and lots of leaf litter, tree roots, fallen branches, twigs and vine roots.
 
@Byron I've read it :) but he writes
The equipment and decoration to a certain degree is all a matter of choice, but there are some areas that should be given careful consideration, the main one of these is the substrate that is to be used. My recommendation is the use of fine smooth gravel or a course grained smooth sand, to a maximum depth of 15 millimeters this allows the catfishes to reach through to the base glass of the tank and find all the particles of food that have penetrated deep into the substrate.
reason why I need to know granulometry of this "fine smooth gravel".
 

Thank you. That changes nothing though. Ian has stated that his "gravel" refers to grains "as large as 1 mm" which is still very small, and more accurately termed coarse sand. The video that began this discussion has gravel larger than what Ian endorses, and the cories are not able to filter feed, so it is inappropriate.
 
I agree.
So I need to as Horlack why he uses this large sized gravel.
 
Hello @Sgooosh Hello @Byron
I've just read some articles from Ian Fuller and he is talking about sand of course, but also gravel, emphasizing "smooth" like I did. Unfortunately Ian Fuller doesn't talk about granulometry which would be very helpful.
i don't know all these fish celebrities lol
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I've kept Corys on sand and gravel and though I like to see them on sand (mediuk sized PFS is my favourite) I didn't notice any healthissues in gravel.

The main concern is, as Byron mentioned, is food getting out of reach, decomposes and caused ammonia / nitrites spikes and unwanted bacterial growth.

Where I like PFS cause it is "designed" to let oxygenated water in (similar shaped and sized grains) gravel shouldn't have that.
Though smooth bigger grains cause this food-thing.

So where sand should be "open" gravel should be "closed" (not entirely of course).

But as said and mentioned : Corys love to shift and dig in sand. My gravel tank is stored and if I use it again there will be PFS in (just as in my 4 tanks that are in use)
 
Yes ! Diggers before the Lord :lol:
That said, I wonder if JBL Sansibar is good for Corydoras ?
Funny you're mentioning Sansibar.
I have had a file on my computer for years with Cory-issues specific on Sansibar.
Never knew the exact reason but there were a lot strangely
 
Many issues and no ideas.... argh :mad::lol:
Yep sorry !

 
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