Community Fish

[DutchMuch]

 

[Jordan_Deus]

*whispers*
Killifish:

Could be an option, but they're kinda small, maybe 3-4 would work. The Blue Ram I find more attractive so if I don't get the ok on that I'll probably settle for a few killfish.

 

[DutchMuch]

killifish get pretty large for that type of fish selection, friend of mine Johnson had a big ol' 6 incher (not precise)!
In your size of a tank for the main fish, if the killi I would get only one of those, your choice.
Then about 12 CPD's and 12 Neon tetras or cardinals, see how that's work if you want more you could always buy more
https://www.fish-etc.com/fish/killifish-2
Im sure he fed that thing steroids though lol

 

[Jordan_Deus]

killifish get pretty large for that type of fish selection, friend of mine Johnson had a big ol' 6 incher!
In your size of a tank for the main fish, if the killi I would get only one of those, your choice.
Then about 12 CPD's and 12 Neon tetras or cardinals, see how that's work if you want more you could always buy more

I read they're about 2.5 inch max....

 

[DutchMuch]

I read they're about 2.5 inch max....

Steroids

 

[DutchMuch]

few species exceed 8" (20 cm).
http://fish.mongabay.com/killifish.htm
but your right the majority stay your listed size

 

[Jordan_Deus]

New Fish list:
1. Zebra Danios x10
2. Tiger/cherry Barb x10
3. Blue ram cichlid x3 or killfish x6
4. Bristlenose Plec x1 (I'd like two but word on the street is they don't get along well with the same species)
5. cherry shrimp/snails

 

[DutchMuch]

swag

 

[Byron]

The Plec is more a personal center piece (stupid childhood dream), what's important is that I know it's there. I was thinking 1-2 Blue Ram cichlids. The Tank is 1 meter length 43 cm width 67 cm height.

This presents problems. First, these are sedate chichlids, so active swimmers are an annoyance (danios and barbs). Second, they need higher temperature than danios and barbs are comfortable with, so that is an issue. You've already (I believe) discounted neon tetra, but they don't like water this warm either. By warm with the common ram, Mikrogeophagus ramirezi in any of its colour varieties, I mean 80F/27C minimum. The barbs and danios are better no warmer than 75F/23C. This difference may seem small, but to the fish it is major. Fish are ectothermic; the temperature of the surrounding water directly drives their metabolism. In nature there are diurnal temperature variations, but they are minimal and the fish can adjust temporarily; in the aquarium it is constant, and this impacts the fish's physiology.

Byron.

 

[Byron]

New Fish list:
1. Zebra Danios x10
2. Tiger/cherry Barb x10
3. Blue ram cichlid x3 or killfish x6
4. Bristlenose Plec x1 (I'd like two but word on the street is they don't get along well with the same species)
5. cherry shrimp/snails

You do not want Tiger Barbs in with any sedate fish. The activity issue I mentioned previously, but with this barb there is also the fin nipping of sedate fish.

Killifish depends upon the species, there are many.

 

[DutchMuch]

Variety of killi's reason I mentioned

 

[DutchMuch]

a variety of killi's, reason I suggested. and size & color. Other details yata yata.

 

[hobby5]

Interesting comments. First my thoughts to water parameters

KH and GH are independent. KH is not a subset of GH or vice versa. To keep soft water fish the KH should be below (!) 6 °dH. You might get a way with a little higher for some more hardy species but not with 20. To my knowledge KH is more important for the fish than GH. Unfortunately I cannot cite any literature. If anyone can provide anything substantial to refuse that (@Byron you seem to have a different take on that ), I am happy to learn something new.

However, before choosing any fish species you should resolve your water problem. (Btw, there are beautiful hard water fish too.)

If you want to "fill up your tank" it is much better to chose one gregarious species and add a decent number of it. It looks much better and also is for the fish much better than a mix of many different species with too few individuals. This also prevents the problem with the "nippy" species. Nipping only occurs in overcrowded tanks, where those species are not present in sufficient numbers, but as single individuals or super small groups which do not allow for proper intra-species interaction.

Of course a second shoaling species is possible if a species with different behaviour is chosen. Danios and barbs are in fact a very good combination. (Check out the Pethia/Puntius species. There are many interesting and beautiful ones.)

Too bad you did not use sand as substrate. This will rule out nearly all bottom dwellers. But the barbs and the snails will take care of that too.

Shrimps and barbs don't mix too well. Only the larges shrimps with the smallest barbs might be worth a try. I wouldn't.

What kind of temp can you provide? Do you expect hot summers/cold winters?

About the bristlenose pleco: Should be easily possible to house more than one in your tank, if you provide enough cover and separate hiding places (up to 4, better only 2). But be aware that you will be pretty easily overrun with offspring, if you don't stick to single sex only!

 

[Jordan_Deus]

You do not want Tiger Barbs in with any sedate fish. The activity issue I mentioned previously, but with this barb there is also the fin nipping of sedate fish.

Killifish depends upon the species, there are many.

Thanks, I'll see what other fast swimmers are out there and then revise my list.

 

[Jordan_Deus]

Interesting comments. First my thoughts to water parameters

KH and GH are independent. KH is not a subset of GH or vice versa. To keep soft water fish the KH should be below (!) 6 °dH. You might get a way with a little higher for some more hardy species but not with 20. To my knowledge KH is more important for the fish than GH. Unfortunately I cannot cite any literature. If anyone can provide anything substantial to refuse that (@Byron you seem to have a different take on that ), I am happy to learn something new.

However, before choosing any fish species you should resolve your water problem. (Btw, there are beautiful hard water fish too.)

If you want to "fill up your tank" it is much better to chose one gregarious species and add a decent number of it. It looks much better and also is for the fish much better than a mix of many different species with too few individuals. This also prevents the problem with the "nippy" species. Nipping only occurs in overcrowded tanks, where those species are not present in sufficient numbers, but as single individuals or super small groups which do not allow for proper intra-species interaction.

Of course a second shoaling species is possible if a species with different behaviour is chosen. Danios and barbs are in fact a very good combination. (Check out the Pethia/Puntius species. There are many interesting and beautiful ones.)

Too bad you did not use sand as substrate. This will rule out nearly all bottom dwellers. But the barbs and the snails will take care of that too.

Shrimps and barbs don't mix too well. Only the larges shrimps with the smallest barbs might be worth a try. I wouldn't.

What kind of temp can you provide? Do you expect hot summers/cold winters?

About the bristlenose pleco: Should be easily possible to house more than one in your tank, if you provide enough cover and separate hiding places (up to 4, better only 2). But be aware that you will be pretty easily overrun with offspring, if you don't stick to single sex only!

I can still put sand in as my tank isn't set up and cycled yet. I'm currently just waiting on all the gear I need to arrive. Since I'm impatient I thought that while I wait I'd come up with a stocking plan. Let's say the high KH really is a problem, how would I lower it without having an unstable PH? I'll look into the species you mentioned. My winters very rarely slip underneath freezing, and even if so I do have a heater. Summers can get pretty hot 30 Celsius sometimes higher. 28-29 is a good avarge. During the summer the house is air conditioned so I would assume I'd still need to heat the tank and keep it around 23-24 Celsius.

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