Clown Loach Problem

[Zikofski]

Okay thank you all, i am amazed at how quickly help has come much appreciated, yes we will be looking at a bigger tank its just the price thats scaring me on ebay 250L tank is going for like £300+ I've seen a section here for DIY stuff so is it poribly to build your own tank if thats allot cheaper i shall do that also i do not need the cabinets that come with all tanks i love fish so we will get a bigger tank

 

[Man of fish]

If in the US look on craigslist some great deal on there.

 

[Zikofski]

If in the US look on craigslist some great deal on there.

Sorry I'm in the UK but i have looked and this tank i actually like what do you all think?

http/www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cabinet-Aquarium-Fish-Tank-Tropical-100cm-250L-New-/180549484031?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&var=&hash=item6fc2936d67#ht_2135wt_1378

 

[creeker]

If in the US look on craigslist some great deal on there.

Sorry I'm in the UK but i have looked and this tank i actually like what do you all think?

http/www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cabinet-Aquarium-Fish-Tank-Tropical-100cm-250L-New-/180549484031?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&var=&hash=item6fc2936d67#ht_2135wt_1378

For Clown Loaches, I would select a longer, lower tank. All that height is wasted space.

 

[fluttermoth]

For Clown Loaches, I would select a longer, lower tank. All that height is wasted space.

Agreed.

Long term for clown loach, you need something minimum five feet and preferably six, and 18" wide, preferably 2'.

 

[Zikofski]

If in the US look on craigslist some great deal on there.

Sorry I'm in the UK but i have looked and this tank i actually like what do you all think?

http/www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cabinet-Aquarium-Fish-Tank-Tropical-100cm-250L-New-/180549484031?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&var=&hash=item6fc2936d67#ht_2135wt_1378

For Clown Loaches, I would select a longer, lower tank. All that height is wasted space.

okay that was what i thought i have decided to build my own tank i am going with 250L 48"x15" and 20" do you recon thats will be long enough? or would you recon longer and we have had another loach go so i think we gone loose them all :'( sadly but once this new tanks is fully set up and properly settled in il get some more

 

[Baccus]

If in the US look on craigslist some great deal on there.

Sorry I'm in the UK but i have looked and this tank i actually like what do you all think?

http/www.ebay.co.u...#ht_2135wt_1378

For Clown Loaches, I would select a longer, lower tank. All that height is wasted space.

okay that was what i thought i have decided to build my own tank i am going with 250L 48"x15" and 20" do you recon thats will be long enough? or would you recon longer and we have had another loach go so i think we gone loose them all :'( sadly but once this new tanks is fully set up and properly settled in il get some more

Kudos for you in attempting to make your own tank (I'd help on the measurements but don't know inches etc, grew up with metric), all I will say is while making your own tank be sure to get a thick enough glass for the volume of water. I would cheat for this and go to a pet shop and check out the thickness of the glass on the tanks they have for sale of a similar size to the one you intend to make. Then I would ensure that I got the correct water resistant nontoxic sealant, when applying this run a bead along the glass and wet your finger and use your damp finger to gently smear the sealant along the seam. Weting your finger will stop the sealant sticking to your finger (believe me it gets messy) and finally I would have some ratchet straps or similar to tie around the glued together tank to keep good pressure on it throughout the drying process. Just don't do the straps up too tight or you'll break the glass. And allow plenty of drying time before adding water for the first leak test.

Good luck.

If all the mucking around making your own tank seems too daunting you could always pick up a second hand tank, sometimes you can find real bargins, on notice boards, in news papers, online. But everytime I have got myself a second hand tank I have cleaned it (using mostly elbow grease nothing that will leave a toxic residue or eat away at the sealant), and then filled it to ensure there are no leaks, then I generally leave the tank in the full sun for a few days (it's a great steriliser) just incase there are any residual nasties still surviving in the tank. If a second ahnd tank comes with gravel and ornaments etc I do the same to all of that.

 

[Dieses Madchen]

And do some research as far as how to build on to ensure that it is done right. If you are going to build one, I would spring for at least 60inches (5ft) for the loaches. The bigger the better. But make sure you reasearch and build exactly how instructions say. 200g is a lot of water to suck out of the carpet

 

[Zikofski]

For Clown Loaches, I would select a longer, lower tank. All that height is wasted space.

Agreed.

Long term for clown loach, you need something minimum five feet and preferably six, and 18" wide, preferably 2'.

okay thank you all, we sadly lost the remaining loaches over night :'( rest of our fish are perfectly fine going to get that treatment today so to make the water better and not to infect our other fish.

i have come up with plans for a new tank build my self now the chest of draws that it will sit on i am going to make it that size,

54" long
19" deep
25" tall

around 410L i think that equates to

would that be ideal for the loaches, angel and torpedoes? and how many loaches would that hold? we had 5 in our tank would like to get 5 again as i know they love company

as i said before thank you all for your help shame shops had shut yesterday :'( RIP little ones

 

[Zikofski]

If in the US look on craigslist some great deal on there.

Sorry I'm in the UK but i have looked and this tank i actually like what do you all think?

http/www.ebay.co.u...#ht_2135wt_1378

For Clown Loaches, I would select a longer, lower tank. All that height is wasted space.

okay that was what i thought i have decided to build my own tank i am going with 250L 48"x15" and 20" do you recon thats will be long enough? or would you recon longer and we have had another loach go so i think we gone loose them all :'( sadly but once this new tanks is fully set up and properly settled in il get some more

Kudos for you in attempting to make your own tank (I'd help on the measurements but don't know inches etc, grew up with metric), all I will say is while making your own tank be sure to get a thick enough glass for the volume of water. I would cheat for this and go to a pet shop and check out the thickness of the glass on the tanks they have for sale of a similar size to the one you intend to make. Then I would ensure that I got the correct water resistant nontoxic sealant, when applying this run a bead along the glass and wet your finger and use your damp finger to gently smear the sealant along the seam. Weting your finger will stop the sealant sticking to your finger (believe me it gets messy) and finally I would have some ratchet straps or similar to tie around the glued together tank to keep good pressure on it throughout the drying process. Just don't do the straps up too tight or you'll break the glass. And allow plenty of drying time before adding water for the first leak test.

Good luck.

If all the mucking around making your own tank seems too daunting you could always pick up a second hand tank, sometimes you can find real bargins, on notice boards, in news papers, online. But everytime I have got myself a second hand tank I have cleaned it (using mostly elbow grease nothing that will leave a toxic residue or eat away at the sealant), and then filled it to ensure there are no leaks, then I generally leave the tank in the full sun for a few days (it's a great steriliser) just incase there are any residual nasties still surviving in the tank. If a second ahnd tank comes with gravel and ornaments etc I do the same to all of that.

okay thank you yes i have done allot of research last night i have gone for 54" with is 1371.6mm long, 19" thats 406.4mm Deep and 25" or 635mm Tall hope that helps in understanding the desk it will sit on are those dimensions so unless the tank overhangs i can't really get it any bigger but i do plan one day to make my own base for it see how this goes for now,

and yes regarding the sealant i have searched online for aquatic sealant and there are plenty out there and are quite cheep , with regards to thickness of the glass i found a calculator online

Link is here http/www.poseidons-palace.co.uk/Aquarium%20glass%20safety%20calculator.htm

i thought it was very gd , but it recommended me togo for 15mm thick glass and i know to get toughened glass not standard or laminated glass just got to find a place where i can get that from

and yes another website i looked at on building tanks they say use tape around the outside and use spacers so to get sealant between the tank edges can anyone confirm this is a gd way about doing it? sounds tricky but i shall give it ago if it works

 

[Baccus]

If in the US look on craigslist some great deal on there.

Sorry I'm in the UK but i have looked and this tank i actually like what do you all think?

http/www.ebay.co.u...#ht_2135wt_1378

For Clown Loaches, I would select a longer, lower tank. All that height is wasted space.

okay that was what i thought i have decided to build my own tank i am going with 250L 48"x15" and 20" do you recon thats will be long enough? or would you recon longer and we have had another loach go so i think we gone loose them all :'( sadly but once this new tanks is fully set up and properly settled in il get some more

Kudos for you in attempting to make your own tank (I'd help on the measurements but don't know inches etc, grew up with metric), all I will say is while making your own tank be sure to get a thick enough glass for the volume of water. I would cheat for this and go to a pet shop and check out the thickness of the glass on the tanks they have for sale of a similar size to the one you intend to make. Then I would ensure that I got the correct water resistant nontoxic sealant, when applying this run a bead along the glass and wet your finger and use your damp finger to gently smear the sealant along the seam. Weting your finger will stop the sealant sticking to your finger (believe me it gets messy) and finally I would have some ratchet straps or similar to tie around the glued together tank to keep good pressure on it throughout the drying process. Just don't do the straps up too tight or you'll break the glass. And allow plenty of drying time before adding water for the first leak test.

Good luck.

If all the mucking around making your own tank seems too daunting you could always pick up a second hand tank, sometimes you can find real bargins, on notice boards, in news papers, online. But everytime I have got myself a second hand tank I have cleaned it (using mostly elbow grease nothing that will leave a toxic residue or eat away at the sealant), and then filled it to ensure there are no leaks, then I generally leave the tank in the full sun for a few days (it's a great steriliser) just incase there are any residual nasties still surviving in the tank. If a second ahnd tank comes with gravel and ornaments etc I do the same to all of that.

okay thank you yes i have done allot of research last night i have gone for 54" with is 1371.6mm long, 19" thats 406.4mm Deep and 25" or 635mm Tall hope that helps in understanding the desk it will sit on are those dimensions so unless the tank overhangs i can't really get it any bigger but i do plan one day to make my own base for it see how this goes for now,

and yes regarding the sealant i have searched online for aquatic sealant and there are plenty out there and are quite cheep , with regards to thickness of the glass i found a calculator online

Link is here http/www.poseidons...0calculator.htm

i thought it was very gd , but it recommended me togo for 15mm thick glass and i know to get toughened glass not standard or laminated glass just got to find a place where i can get that from

and yes another website i looked at on building tanks they say use tape around the outside and use spacers so to get sealant between the tank edges can anyone confirm this is a gd way about doing it? sounds tricky but i shall give it ago if it works

Almost any sort of glacier should be able to help you with the correct type and thickness of glass and for a few extra dollars may even do the gluing for you. In Australia I would know exactly who to contact but I am guessing either some phone book searches or web searches in your area should point you in the right direction.

 

[Tizer]

Zikofski, kudos for wanting to have a go at building a big tank, but i honestly think your time and money is better spent on something a littel smaller with a stock of fish that are suitable. You seem to lack a lot of knowledge at the moment and with big tanks you need to have a good understanding of fish keeping.

I highly recommend you take a few steps backwards before you plunge into the deep end and get the fish keeping side of things nailed before the DIY tank side takes over.

Im sure the last thing you want to do is kill any more fish, right?

If you do continue to push on with a build, make sure you look into filtration, you are going to need to spend a good £100+ on a filter, perhaps even two of them for a large tank. That in itself is quite a bit to outlay.

Good luck with it, just make sure you do your research.

 

[Zikofski]

Zikofski, kudos for wanting to have a go at building a big tank, but i honestly think your time and money is better spent on something a littel smaller with a stock of fish that are suitable. You seem to lack a lot of knowledge at the moment and with big tanks you need to have a good understanding of fish keeping.

I highly recommend you take a few steps backwards before you plunge into the deep end and get the fish keeping side of things nailed before the DIY tank side takes over.

Im sure the last thing you want to do is kill any more fish, right?

If you do continue to push on with a build, make sure you look into filtration, you are going to need to spend a good £100+ on a filter, perhaps even two of them for a large tank. That in itself is quite a bit to outlay.

Good luck with it, just make sure you do your research.

yes thank you, i understand where you are coming from but even for the fish we got so far a bigger tank is needed and yes i was going to get at least one of these TetraTec EX1200 External Filter it states 200 to 500L i shall see how one of them dose for a month or half money is not to much of a problem really just time ,

the only thing that is confusing me at moment with i shall research more is lighting and plant growth, so far i have come to the conclusion that sand is better than gravel so will start the new tank of with sand, and for that a minim of 1inch of sand to 1.5inch sand at the back for plants now cycling with or without fish for plants i don't know yet I've seen a few posts on here that i still need to read up on the plant side like lighting and anything else they need?

but there is something i was going to do on my current tank that i have not because of new tank and that is night lights? is it worth getting a night light or just use day lights and whens best to use them? i know to max keep the day on for like 10 hours or less even for algae growth if i am mistaken please let me know

 

[Tizer]

Zikofski, kudos for wanting to have a go at building a big tank, but i honestly think your time and money is better spent on something a littel smaller with a stock of fish that are suitable. You seem to lack a lot of knowledge at the moment and with big tanks you need to have a good understanding of fish keeping.

I highly recommend you take a few steps backwards before you plunge into the deep end and get the fish keeping side of things nailed before the DIY tank side takes over.

Im sure the last thing you want to do is kill any more fish, right?

If you do continue to push on with a build, make sure you look into filtration, you are going to need to spend a good £100+ on a filter, perhaps even two of them for a large tank. That in itself is quite a bit to outlay.

Good luck with it, just make sure you do your research.

yes thank you, i understand where you are coming from but even for the fish we got so far a bigger tank is needed and yes i was going to get at least one of these TetraTec EX1200 External Filter it states 200 to 500L i shall see how one of them dose for a month or half money is not to much of a problem really just time ,

the only thing that is confusing me at moment with i shall research more is lighting and plant growth, so far i have come to the conclusion that sand is better than gravel so will start the new tank of with sand, and for that a minim of 1inch of sand to 1.5inch sand at the back for plants now cycling with or without fish for plants i don't know yet I've seen a few posts on here that i still need to read up on the plant side like lighting and anything else they need?

but there is something i was going to do on my current tank that i have not because of new tank and that is night lights? is it worth getting a night light or just use day lights and whens best to use them? i know to max keep the day on for like 10 hours or less even for algae growth if i am mistaken please let me know

There is no reason why you cannot take the fish you have back to the fish shop and get something more suitable.

Asking about lighting at this stage just reinforces what i said about taking a step back, learn about the fish, learn about how plants grow in tanks, lighting, fertilisers etc etc. If you plan to have clown loaches again, you would know that they will eventually uproot and destroy your plants. You would know that they cannot be kept in the same tanks as red line torpedoes as the red lines require a much cooler tank than clown loaches (ideally anyway)

Sorry, i dont mean to be a party pooper on your plans, you just dont seem to understand enough of the basics (Yet) to cope with a large tank and fish, which are certainly no for beginners.

I cant really stress it any more and i dont want to.

 

[Louiseness]

okay thank you yes i have done allot of research last night i have gone for 54" with is 1371.6mm long, 19" thats 406.4mm Deep and 25" or 635mm Tall hope that helps in understanding the desk it will sit on are those dimensions so unless the tank overhangs i can't really get it any bigger but i do plan one day to make my own base for it see how this goes for now,

Be careful! I'm sure you're aware that makes the tank about 420 litres, which if I'm not mistaken is around 66 stone - I don't think I've ever seen a desk that wouldn't eventually collapse under that amount of weight.