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Hi folks.

Ive had my fish in the tank for a week now, they are looking happy and seem fine.

Im wondering when to do my first clean?. Should it be a 25% change or just a gravel vac?.

I dont want to disturb the fish too much if I can help it!.

Thanks for your advice.
 
A bit more info would be good.


How long has the tank been set up? What size is it? What fish have you got?


Do you have a test kit for Ammonia, NitrIte, NitrAte and PH? What are the results?


If it's a newish tank, I would recommend 30% water change three times per week if your test results are stable. If any results are high (except PH) I would be inclined to change 40% daily until results are down at the required level.


Ammonia & NitrIte should be 0 ppm

NitrAte should be less than 40 ppm
 
Hi, the tank is a 60 litre tank. It has been set up for 2 weeks now and I have 5 head and tail light tetra and one dalmation mollie.

I dont currently have a test kit, my girlfriends work colleague tested the water before the fish were put it and he said everything was fine and that the results were good.

Im unable to afford a kit for another week so I may ask him to come back and test my water again before I do anything else.

Thanks for your reply.
 
yes definatly at least a 30% water change i would say as it would seem you are doing a fish in cycle which needs lots of frequent water changes.

Testing the water after a week of no fish is next to usless as nothing will have happened in that time. Please read up on fishless cycling and then also read on fish in cycling.

You really do need a test kit

Do you have a filter?

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=113861
 
Yes I have a filter. ive checked it frequently to make sure it is working alright.

You have me a bit worried now, would you suggest I clean them asap?

Thanks.
 
15% water change every week from now on should be fine.

Oh, and don't worry, just do your weekly water changes, and if your fish are hardy enough, they will be fine.

I have found that all of this is nowhere near as exact a science as everyone on this forum makes out, all this nitrates ammonia stuff, yeah, if you have really bad levels some fish may die, but really, for these fish to have survived millions of years of evolution, they must be doing something right when it comes to survival, and as long as you don't have any large amounts of toxic stuff in the water they will be fine (by the way, soap will kill your fish, never wash anything in your aquarium with soap).

I also recommend getting:
2 of these for algae cleaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otocinclus
DO NOT GET THIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_algae_eater
http://www.aquariumlife.net/profile-images/algae-eater.jpg
And some bottom feeders, maybe a small loach, I suggest Kuhli's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhli_loach
Or Corydoras of any sort you see in a fish shop.
 
matty dont worry if the fish seem fine. in my experience you can tell when the water is deteriorating by the way the fish are acting. by all means get a test kit but dont make yourself skint for it.. :good:
 
Thanks for your time everyone. I was slightly concerned when I was told I should have cleaned the tank 3 times a week!!!!!!.

Im going to get a test kit tomorrow, just to be safe. I would hate my fishy friends to suffer!.

Thanks again.

Matty.
 
Matty - Unless you have cycled your tank with ammonia, then you're filter isn't "up to speed" yet - not by a long way.


You need a testing kit ASAP - get an API Master kit and test for Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate.


You will find you have lots of Ammonia, little to no Nitrite and no Nitrate. This is bad.



You are doing what is known as a "Fish-In Cycle" - and to avoid seriously hurting your fish, you need to be doing large water changes every couple of days for a couple of weeks.



90% of newbies to this forum have made the same mistake - usually on the advise of someone else. Don't dismiss what I've said, instead read up on cycling today!

15% water change every week from now on should be fine.

Oh, and don't worry, just do your weekly water changes, and if your fish are hardy enough, they will be fine.

I have found that all of this is nowhere near as exact a science as everyone on this forum makes out, all this nitrates ammonia stuff, yeah, if you have really bad levels some fish may die, but really, for these fish to have survived millions of years of evolution, they must be doing something right when it comes to survival, and as long as you don't have any large amounts of toxic stuff in the water they will be fine (by the way, soap will kill your fish, never wash anything in your aquarium with soap).

I also recommend getting:
2 of these for algae cleaning: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otocinclus"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otocinclus[/URL]
DO NOT GET THIS: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_algae_eater"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_algae_eater[/URL]
[URL="http://www.aquariumlife.net/profile-images/algae-eater.jpg"]http://www.aquariumlife.net/profile-images/algae-eater.jpg[/URL]
And some bottom feeders, maybe a small loach, I suggest Kuhli's: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhli_loach"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhli_loach[/URL]
Or Corydoras of any sort you see in a fish shop.


Sorry, but this is amonst the worst advise I've seen on this forum to date.

"You're fish will be ok if they are hardy" - Hmm, that's just leaving it to luck, isn't it?

Fish in the wild don't live in small fixed bodies of water where their own waste is trapped beside them. Think about it!!!
 
Until you get a chance to get that test kit and can see what you are doing, a daily 30% water change using dechlorinator is just what the doctor ordered. Once you can afford the test kit, you can be guided by the test results. If you never get the test kit, like was the case when I first started 50 years ago, you can probably go back to weekly water changes of about 30% once a week after the first 6 or 7 weeks fairly safely. Until then it is either test the water or assume the worst and do daily 30% changes.
 
15% water change every week from now on should be fine.

Oh, and don't worry, just do your weekly water changes, and if your fish are hardy enough, they will be fine.

I have found that all of this is nowhere near as exact a science as everyone on this forum makes out, all this nitrates ammonia stuff, yeah, if you have really bad levels some fish may die, but really, for these fish to have survived millions of years of evolution, they must be doing something right when it comes to survival, and as long as you don't have any large amounts of toxic stuff in the water they will be fine (by the way, soap will kill your fish, never wash anything in your aquarium with soap).

I also recommend getting:
2 of these for algae cleaning: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otocinclus" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otocinclus</a>
DO NOT GET THIS: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_algae_eater" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_algae_eater</a>
<a href="http://www.aquariumlife.net/profile-images/algae-eater.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.aquariumlife.net/profile-images/algae-eater.jpg</a>
And some bottom feeders, maybe a small loach, I suggest Kuhli's: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhli_loach" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhli_loach</a>
Or Corydoras of any sort you see in a fish shop.


Sorry, but this is amonst the worst advise I've seen on this forum to date.

I must agree with Peter here. That's pretty bad advice.

Matty, don't clean anything for now. The most important thing in a fish tank is the filter, and it doesn't just filter out dirt as you may think. Actually it's main function is to house 2 bacteria colonies which are vital to your fish's survival.

Ammonia is present in any tank where there is fish as it is produced by fish doing the toilet and they also excrete it from their gills through respiration. Ammonia is lethal to fish even in very small quantities. The first bacteria colony convert lethal ammonia into nitrite.

Nitrite is also lethal to fish, even in very small quantities. The second bacteria colony convert lethal nitrite into relatively harmless nitrate.

Nitrate can be harmful to fish in large concentartions, so it is removed from the tank on a regular basis.

You can see why the filter bacteria are so important, however they don't come ready to use with your filter. You need to culture them.

At the moment, your fish will be producing ammonia and there is no filter bacteria to convert it into harmless nitrate, so it is building up in your tank. This will quickly poison your fish and is commonly called 'New Tank Syndrome'. The bacteria will start to colonise the filter just by ammonia being present in the tank, but this generally takes a few weeks, and your fish are at risk in this preliminary period.

You can read more about New Tank Syndrome in the link called 'Cycling with Fish' in my signature below. In short however, follow OldMan47's advice of daily water changes. I would recommend that 50% is a good amount. Don't be fooled into thinking that changing too much water is bad for the fish. This is a common misconception amongst new fishkeepers and is totally incorrect. At this critical stage in the process, water changes are essential if your fish are to survive. Just make sure to match the temperature of the new water to that in the tank, and make sure the repacement water is properly treated with a dechlorinator, and you could change 100% if necessary.

Please also read the other link in my signature, 'Fishless Cycling'. Fishless cycling is another way of colonising the filter with the essential bacteria, but as the name suggests it is done without the presence of fish. This is considered much more humane as even with regular water changes, a fish-in cycle can damage the long-term health of fish. If it is at all possible to re-home your fish whilst you carry out a fishless cycle, please consider doing so for your fish's sake.

Otherwise, water change, water change, water change.

Either way, a test kit is invaluable at this critical time, and if you can stretch to buying one, it would help immensely, not only with keeping your fish alive, but also with your understanding of what is going on in your tank and it's effect on the fish.

It is important at this stage that you don't add any more fish to the tank as this would make the situation worse.

Hope this helps you. :good:

BTT
 
Thanks for the followup BTT. I hadn't read all of Jallen's post or I would have said many of the same things myself. I also carry around a link to fishy cycling because we see this so often.
 
i agree with petertr that wasnt the best advice from jallen
matty just stick with the other advice and you wont go wrong
regards scot :)
 
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Before I bothered to look things up I was advised by my LFS (a very big store nr Manchester) that my platies and two tetra's would be ok in their non-cycled 5g tank.
6 months down the line they were suffering a great deal and didn't make it.
At the end of the day it was another fish-in cycle and the loss of 3 neons later before I found this place now I have a really healthy tank and even a 7 baby platies despite only having females :)

I am looking for a large tank and there is no way I will be putting fish in before it is FULLY cycled!

So listen to the majority of advice here and realise your fish could be suffering silently so regular water changes and read the fish-in stuff :)
 

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