Changing pH safely and easily

Seb R

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Well to cut a long story short. My pH 8 (!) and I want to get it to about 6.5-7.

I want to get it right for:

Ram eggs to hatch
Cory eggs to hatch
Possible Cardinal eggs to hatch

What should I use chemicals (usually big no-no) or black water tonic. I dont want anything too dramatic, as my tank is juuuussssttt right at the moment!
 
What're your other stats? Like GH and KH? Because they're all related, you know... No chemicals of course, that's the general consesus in these forums. Driftwood lowers PH, but not sure if it's a permanent thing... Also, I don't see how this has anything to do with hardware... :p
 
This does have to do with hardware. To do it right you need an R.O. unit. This lets you start with a blank slate with your water, ph of 7 and practically no hardness. You can adjust it to nearly any parameter from there.

Tolak
 
Most of the commonly available pH modifying products contain phosphates, your algae will love you for them. Things like bog wood etc., can drop your pH if your water is not terribly hard or buffered, where I live, it would do nothing other then look good.

If you want to modify your pH, you REALLY need to understand how pH, hardness, CO2 concentration, buffering etc. are interelated. You can create perfect pH water that is so unstable, it will swing by as much as a couple of degrees in a few hours, if your buffering is incorrect for example.

Also remember that fish bought in the lfs are almost certainly in tap water. Putting them into a tank with drastically different water conditions will be stressful and can cause death by osmotic shock among other factors. Fish need to be aclimated slowly to the new conditions. How long depends on the fish and the deltas.

As far as I am concerned, the only long term solution to producing water of defined characteristcs is to buy an RO unit. You can buy RO water from some lfs, but it is a very uneconomic option. People on metered water supplies should work out in advance how they are going to use the waste water from the RO, as the waste water is substantially greater buy volume then the pure water produced.
 
Might buy a RO unit, makes sense really.

You guy ever used black water tonic, does that 'make it all better'?
 
I use black water extract in "black water" tanks. I do not know what you mean when you ask does it "make it all better". Used appropriately, it can be beneficial, used inappropriately it will kill.
 
lol 'make it all better' means help ram eggs to hatch, not fungass.

Oh besides, I generally do alot of water changes and as my water is so alkaline I want something to stop my water becoming alkaline again.
 
If your tapwater is very alkali, it probably is very hard and well buffered. Trying to adjust the pH of water like that with BWE is going to be very uneconomic. I used to use Methylene Blue to stop eggs fungusing, but rarely have a problem now.

RO unit, and some serious reading around the subject is what you want if you live in a hard water area and are serious about breeding.

Read though, and understand what you are doing. RO water with a splurge of good BWE can drop down to a pH of 4 without a lot of effort for example. This would kill a lot of fish, and if done suddenly, probably all.
 

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