Changing From 2Xt8 30W Tubes To 2Xt5 54W

high light needs high co2 and ferts its a simlple as that.

by all means have a high light tank, but dont come back asking why you have a tank covered in algae!
you can grow almost anything under 2 30w T8 tubes with the correct co2 and fertilisers.

seriously, sont up your lighting as you will be jumping in at the deep end finding you cant swim.

up your co2, ferts, substrate and flow and see what difference it makes, then after a few months when you have actually learned some basics, begin to slowly up your lighting.


plants exposed to air get around 300ppm of co2, whereas underwater through co2 inkjection we can normally aim for about 30ppm without gassing the livestock. without any co2, imagine how much of a limiting factor this is?

think of the fire triangle

oxygen, fuel, Heat


take one of these away and you have no fire....
now imagine it aquarium style (but a square)


light, Nutrients, Flow, co2

after you have mastered this in, you can make it a pentagon with substrate.
Flow is a crucial part which many people dont recognise, without this how can you expect your co2 and ferts to get into every part of your tank?

Nutrient based substrates or those with a high cation exchange capacity (CEC) can give you a slight margin for error, they can absorb ferts from the water column and store it in an accessible form to plant roots. if you forget to dose for a few days, it will not be as much of a big issue as the roots can still feed on the substrate. many are nutritious in their own right and provide a stable base to heavy root feeders such as crypts and echinodorous sp.
 
Thankyou for all of your replies. :good:

I was obviously aware that higher lighting would bring changes which is why I posted this thread asking for advice The T5`s came with the tank, it wasn`t something I consciously chose.
The advice I got for my current tank has been so spot on so I knew I`d get good advice again.

I currently use Fourish and tabs but am aware that there needs to be a bigger/better procedure to ensure good plant growth in the new tank so will do that without any hesitation.
If CO2 is something that I need to sort out then so be it. I`ve been pointed in the direction of a system that won`t cost a fortune however I know it`s going to be a long term option. I fully intend to do the right and sensible thing because at the end of the day you don`t spend almost a grand on a nice tank and unit to then just plant it, throw fish in and then let it do what it will.
Flow isn`t a problem, I have an FX5 ready to go and the flow from that looks good. Hopefully that`ll make sure the tank gets a fair spread.

The only questions I have are:
Am I right in thinking the approx price for a CO2 initial setup is approx £100-120?
On a 360ltr tank, long can I expect a cannister of CO2 to last?
If I get a fire extinguisher instead of the little cannisters, can they be refilled/refurbished? If so, where can this be done?
 
Well, I decided to bite the bullet and have bought a 'JBL ProFlora M602 Pressurised CO2 System'. Normally only 1x 500g cylinder comes with it but I`m getting an extra one with it :)

I phoned Maidenhead Aquatics this morning to enquire about what they have in stock and their prices, then had a look on ebay. I`ve saved myself just under £100 by getting it off of eBay (bonus was the extra CO2 cylinder). It`s all brand new and still in the box.
Maidenhead refill the cylinders for approx £6-8 so at least I know it`s not going to cost a fortune to continue with the CO2.

So all in all, I`m happy that I`ve saved some money and I`ll be able to do the sensible thing by keeping my new tank as healthy as I can. B-)

Huge thanks for all the info and advice :good:
 
Nice one, you've got some reading to do about co2 though, the tank should look stunning once you've got everything set up :)
 
I hope so!! :S That`s the plan anyway.

I`m reading as much as I can because it is important that I get it right. Keeping healthy fish in a healthy tank is more than just a hobby to me so I fully intend to get it right.

I think my eyes will be bleeding by the time I`ve read what`s out there on CO2 in aquariums though! :blink: :lol:
 
wrong move im afraid!

those jbl sets are aweful.

a 500g cylinder is going to last you 2 weeks if you are lucky on a tank that size, and they are very expensive kit to buy

the best and cheapest option is to buy a 2 or 5kg co2 fire extinguisher and attach a reg and soleniod off ebay. piece of cake, i follwed the tutorial when i was 16!

its totally safe if you have a hint of common sense and even a 2kg FE will last you 4 times as long!


manurfactured kits are a joke tbh, never have and never will use one.
 
Oh well, we live and learn. I guess I don't have a hint of common sense then huh.
I read reviews on those sets and made the best choice I felt I could. At the end of the day by trying to do something, I can't come running back complaining that my plants and tank are in a right s£&t state and covered in algae because I did nothing.

2 cylinders = approx a month? £12 to refill both....... Doesnt seem expensive to me to be honest. If it works all well and good, if it doesn't at least I will have the experience to help others. :)
 
Have you tried diy yeast/sugar co2?
Your tank is more or less exactly the same as mine,and thats what I'm using.Plants are all doing great
 
Have you tried diy yeast/sugar co2?
Your tank is more or less exactly the same as mine,and thats what I'm using.Plants are all doing great


I haven't set the new tank up yet and in my current 180ltr the tabs, flourish and lighting has been working well together, my plants have grown really well in there.
To be completely honest I'm not the 'technical type' I'm too blonde I think. Things are only easy when you know how and after reading some of the info on co2 set ups and how to do it all it felt a bit daunting.
I just wanted to be prepared and have things ready for when I set my new tank up this weekend.
 
I haven't set the new tank up yet and in my current 180ltr the tabs, flourish and lighting has been working well together, my plants have grown really well in there.
To be completely honest I'm not the 'technical type' I'm too blonde I think. Things are only easy when you know how and after reading some of the info on co2 set ups and how to do it all it felt a bit daunting.
I just wanted to be prepared and have things ready for when I set my new tank up this weekend.
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Well if you can open the cap on a pop bottle then you're already half way there with the yeast method :p
No joke though,its easy,there are vids on youtube for making them :)
 
Well if you can open the cap on a pop bottle then you're already half way there with the yeast method :p
No joke though,its easy,there are vids on youtube for making them :)

:lol: :lol:

Usually get hubby to open bottles and jars though :hyper: :lol:

Seriously though, I guess there's nothing saying I can't have a look and see if it's something I can do myself, if it goes ok I can always resell the kit I've already paid for, especially as I got it cheaper than retail price. I just don't want to risk doing anything wrong which will end up having a detrimental effect on my fish.

We'll see ;)
 
Can I ask if anyone's calculators are broken!!!

When did 1.13WPG of T5HO become high light?

1.13WPG of LED is bordering highlight but not T5HO.

Plus the tank is 2ft tall

This tank doesn't NEED CO2. Yes CO2 helps plants grow and under high light yes CO2 is most definately the way to go but this would in anyone's book be low light, low-medium at best.

Should also say that someone above is takling about plants that don't need CO2 injection. There is no plant that NEEDS CO2 injection. It is always dependent on the light.

To further confuse matters adding CO2 as a side effect increases the light parameter because when the plants are not searching for CO2 as it is abundant then they use the light more efficiently. Effectively that means you can use less light and the plant gets the same or on the flip side use the same light and the plant gets more!!!

AC
 
Thanks for that supercoley, point made :) soon as I knew what plants they were I thought CO2 wasnt required.
 
no problem.

A tank full of anubias under high light will need CO2.

A tank full of fast growing stems under lowlight won't.

Its always the light (or the user preference) that dictates the NEED.

AC
 
Thanks for your reply SuperColey1 B-)

I was thinking of adding more Anubias to the tank as I`m going to have more room for planting.

So I`m in a bit of a dilemma now then, do I continue with the idea of using the kit seeing as it`s now paid for and is likely to be in the postal system or shall I just completely shelve the whole CO2 idea and continue using the tabs and flourish and hope for the best with the lighting?

Does it hurt to use CO2 if it`s not really necessary? :unsure:
 

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