Can We Cover Up The Fish Bowl ?

RichiRonald said:
@flutermoth - I am still working out. Never heard about heating water ? u mean to maintain water temperature ? is there way to maintain it ...
Most fish we keep come from tropical countries, so you need an aquarium heater to keep the water warm enough. There are fish, of course, that can live in unheated tanks, but they generally need large tanks. For small tanks you want tropical fish, of the right species, and for that you need a heater.

My best advice for you is to post what it is you actually want (Do you actually want to keep fish? Do you want a decorative water feature? Or are you just interested in the idea of a closed system, or one that doesn't use electricity?), and then we can work out a plan to help you achieve it.
 
okay ...
 
Some fish are cold water - goldfish mostly
 
The rest are tropical and need to be kept at 25-26 degrees. To do this you add an aquarium heater. This maintains the tank temperature at the set level. So if you set it to 25 degree's it'll switch on when the tank temperature falls below that level and heat it back up to 25 degrees. 
There are some fish that need to be kept at warmer temperatures but I won't confuse you with that.
 
Fish create ammonia. Ammonia in the water will kill a fish very quickly. In order to remove ammonia an aquarium has a filter. The filter sucks in the ammonia ridden water and bacteria that grows inside the filter eats the ammonia and converts it to Nitrite. Nitrite is also toxic and will kill your fish so the filter grows a second type of bacteria that will eat the Nitrite. That bacteria converts the Nitrite into Nitrate and this Nitrate ridden water is returned to the aquarium this what is known as 'cycling'. Nitrate is also mildly toxic at high levels and so we do a weekly partial water change to keep Nitrate low.
 
By keeping a fish in an unfiltered bowl you are condemning it to swimming around in Ammonia. That's a bit like me forcing you to sit in a bath of acid. This is why we get cross when people won't listen when we say no to fish bowls and such like. They are cruel and they have no place in a world were we have animal welfare. 
 
@akasha72- Nice profile name....so 3 part in fish tank, oxyen, heater and filter....there are some small fish tangrine,molley, rosy,  who does not require mech..pump...though changing water 25-30 % can help here ?
 
Can you build all chemical based fish tank for oxygen- oxi tablet, filter- activated carbon, heater - some physical chemical ( not remembering the name )  any other it...not sure if to much gas may erupt to manage it...need to first test any put them...would these work?
 
RichiRonald...

We're all trying our absolute best to help you here, but you don't seem to be listening to us 
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If you want to keep fish in a small tank, you need a heater and filter, and it needs to be 'open' (obviously you can have a lid, to help stop the water evaporating and keep dust and flies out), but it can't be sealed.
 
There is no 'chemical based' fish tank for oxygen; you just need moving water and air. It really is very simple.
 
Please, please, please, for the third time of asking; if you tell us what exactly it is you're trying to achieve, we can help you, but none of your current ideas are going to work.
 
You have a wealth of fishkeeping experience you can draw from on this forum (I myself have been keeping fish since 1973); please listen to us when we try and explain why these ideas you have will either not work at all, or will cause serious suffering and illness to any fish you might buy.
 
I'm done. There's only so much stupid I can deal with in one day 
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@fluthermoth - fine.. how are the beta fish tank ready made from 1-3 gallons like ? The Nano, etc. 
 
Bettas are one of the few fish that can be kept without a filter; but we don't recommend it. All fish do better, will be healthier and live longer in a properly filtered and cycled tank (yes, we're going to have to explain 'cycling' now, I know; 'cycling' is growing a colony of the good bacteria, that akasha mentioned earlier, inside the filter. Those bacteria take care of the fish's waste's for you, so you don't have to be doing water changes every day and, most importantly the fish is protected from a build up of ammonia that can kill it).
 
We never recommend tanks of less than 5 gallons,
 
a simple tank of 5 gallon . Are there suitable fish which can be used.without much filter and oxygen. Just daily change water 25-30%...works ..
 
RichiRonald said:
a simple tank of 5 gallon . Are there suitable fish which can be used.without much filter and oxygen. Just daily change water 25-30%...works ..
 
But WHY?!.
 
Really; I don't understand your attitude here. You want, for some unknown reason, to keep fish without filters or heaters. We're telling you, as experienced fishkeepers of many years standing, that this leads to sick or dead fish.
 
What will you do when you go on holiday? Leave the fish to die in their own urine while you lie on the beach?
 
Seriously; we're all starting to lose patience with you here. Why won't you explain to us what you're trying to achieve, so we can help you? It would be a lot quicker if you told us what it is you want, than just asking the same questions over and over again.
 
Please, in the name of sanity; tell us, what exactly is your problem with having a fish tank with a filter in it? Are you worried it's going to be expensive to run? Too noisy? Scared of electrocution? WHAT?!!!
 
Nothing much..as a newbee..just wanted to try small and simple setup..I had inquired some shop & online...which has small setup for small fish...without much accessories,...could some misunderstanding...in terms of liter or gallons... though it effects the look of the tank also...
 
Keeping my finger crossed ! 
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As a newbie, slightly larger is easier to care for rather than "small and simple".

A lot of tanks come with kits for the filtration that are hidden in a back section of the tank, so it doesn't affect the look of the tank.  Perhaps these may suit your criteria.
 
I would be very careful about taking any advice from shops. Don't forget, their prime concern is to get you to spend money. Shops will very often just tell you what you want to hear to make a sale,
 
The simplest set up you could run, as a beginner, would be a 5 or 10 gallon tank , with a heater and filter. It's easy to hide filters and heaters in the tank with decorations or plants. It is essential for you to understand the nitrogen cycle, and to buy test kits for the water.
 
Just as an example, I have a tank called an Aqua Nano 40 (because it's a 40cm cube; it holds 55 litres of water). That comes with a special compartment at the back that holds the filtration system and the heater so they're hidden away. I keep some dwarf emerald danios, male Endlers (both very tiny fish species, growing to about an inch long) and some freshwater shrimps in it
 
Small tanks, and tanks with with no filtration are possible; but you need some experience in the hobby first; that's not the best way to start out. I know it seems, as a newcomer, that a small tank with less equipment is going to be easier, but that's not the way of things. Larger tanks are more stable, and things like filters and heaters make your life much simpler and keep your fish happier and healthier.
 
Guys, I know this is a frustratingly common problem, but remember, the majority of the bad info newbies get is from dishonest fish stores. in a way, they are victims too, albeit not as much so as the poor fish
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More to the point, if a beginner leaves this forum due to rude comments, but then proceeds to keep fish without getting the proper advice, does this really serve the purpose of this forum?
 
Anyway, a 5 gallon (properly cycled, filtered, with heater) is the absolute minimum I would recommend to keep a single betta, but trust me, you and the fish would have far less headaches if you sprung for at least a 10 gal.
Regarding keeping "a few small fish" in unfiltered fishbowls (very rarely are these availible over 1 gallon), I think an illustration is in order here.
Imagine putting a family of four in a 6.5'x6.5'x6.5' (2x2x2Meter) room with a small 6x6" (15x15cm) grate in the ceiling for ventilation
(no fan), and giving them regular meals.
Any uneaten food and all waste goes into a hole in the floor.
No access to any hygiene or supplemental exercise equipment is given.
How long before the stench from the hole becomes unbearable?
In a couple of days, how much money would the parents be offering to get them all out of the room?
In such crowded conditions, how long before physical fights break out?
How long before disease breaks out from the unsanitary conditions?
In a few weeks, how much bone and muscle loss will have occurred due to lack of exercise?
 
Of course, even this fails to illustrate how bad bowls are on several points.
To make it closer to what the fish are experiencing, we have to make the family in the above example unable to breathe air, instead having to breathe water...
That's right, we fill the room with water.
Now everything that was in the hole is dissolved throughout the room, the family members are in constant contact with it, and BREATHING it, 24/7.
 
 
In addition to the obvious ways this makes things exponentially worse, there is the factor of ammonia and nitrite.
Uneaten food and fish manure gives off ammonia as it breaks down, and the fish themselves give off ammonia in their urine and through their gills at a fairly constant rate.
It is very difficult to overstate how toxic ammonia is to fish, I believe most beginner, many intermediate and even a few advanced aquarists underestimate just how deadly it is.
Here is a link to an article explaining the toxicity of ammonia.
Note: For conversion purposes mg/l (milligrams per liter) is the same as ppm (parts per million)
https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa031
Unionized ammonia (UIA) is in particular ridiculously toxic, as indicated by this quote from the above link:
""Anytime the UIA is higher than 0.05 mg/L, the fish are being damaged.""
To put this in perspective, there are about 20 drops in a milliliter so this is the equivalent of ONE DROP of UIA in a 1000 liter (about 265 gallon) tank!
This is below the level of detection for many test kits, most of which do not give separate readings for ionized and unionized ammonia, instead giving one number for total ammonia.
 
In the nitrogen cycle, both ionized and unionized ammonia are broken down by the good bacteria in a filter to nitrite, which unfortunately is only slightly less toxic than ammonia, being harmful at levels as low as .10ppm (1 drop per 133 gallon)
http://vri.cz/docs/vetmed/50-11-461.pdf
IMO, to summarize the way it blocks oxygen uptake by red blood cells, nitrite can be called the "carbon monoxide" of aquariums.
 
In the course of the nitogen cycle, nitrites eventually break down to nitrates, which are much less toxic to fish, considered safe at levels below 250ppm (about 2 teaspoons in 10 gallons) THIS is the ONLY waste that weekly water changes can keep up with.
 
The nitrogen cycle WILL NOT HAPPEN fast enough to be of any help to the fish until the aquarium has been properly cycled.
For more on cycling, Please visit:
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/421488-cycling-your-new-fresh-water-tank-read-this-first/
 

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