Bristleworms... Help?!

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Me and my coworker have just watched a caterpillar looking creature come out of the rockwork in our marine tank, it must have been about 7cms. Then we saw another... And another... We have googled and dug out some books and discovered they are 'Bristleworms'.

Ooh god, everything im reading is bad. I have never ever seen these things before and neither has my coworker whos spent many more hours looking at this tank than i have.


Are these things dangerous? What is the likelyhood that these bit our clown fish the other week?


Help!!
 
I had a few in my last set up and one that was massive about 15cm long, I have to say I never had a problem with them and they can be a useful member of the CUC .Just dont touch them :hyper:
 
Just depends on the species. Most a great scavengers. Get a picture up or describe it & we'll id it.
 
I have some pictures ,just waiting for them to be recieved by my works email so i can upload them.

I cant have anything venemous in this tank with students around :/
 
Picture is taking a while to send. These worms look like hairy catterpillars. The largest one is a blue colour, almost multi toned though because he shines different colours. There is a tiny baby one that looks more pink
 
Does it look kinda like this?



The thing about bristleworms is that they got a bad rap for only a few species...

The one to watch is the fire worm, genus Hermodice. But they have red gill frills where each "bristle" is. Most likely you are dealing with the above, which is probably a Erythoe species. Good scavengers, but growers of sea grasses, myself among them, have to deal with them uprooting and disturbing the root structure. I may have to find a predator of these worms for my 36g tank.

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They are not venomous, but the bristles hurt when you come into contact with them, or so I've heard. I've not run and grabbed a bristleworm to figure that out for myself! Bristleworms don't usually say "hey come grab me" though. They usually come out at night or when food's out.
 
I ruddy hate bristleworms! Been got be them so many times, the worst one was a grabbed a bit of liverock just in time as the bristleworm which was huge shot accross it which mean i grabbed the worm.

Looked like i had fur from the base of my palm on the left right up and accross and up my index finger. #138## painfull! The bristles are like glass fibres, too soft to tweezer out, like hairs so impossible to see unless you get got good and only hurt when you touch or brush against them and they jam in further.

Easy to fix, used a stanley knife blade (used sewing scissors now, less risky lol) and scraped it across my skin cutting all the bristles off and then used an antiseptic cream like Savalon. If i cant get bristles out, you can get magnesium sulphate paste from a pharmacy, great for getting out splinters :)

Im allergic to most fish and sealiving crustaceans etc and even i dont react to bristleworms. Its just an irritant.

TBH they are probably all ok in there, they do a good job of keeping things clean. Occasionally i pick a few out as they get big as they get clumsy and knock corals around otherwise.
 
While I agree that non-Hermodice species of bristleworms are generally beneficial and do not advocate removal of them in most situations, I also feel the need to point out that they are not 100% safe in all tanks. The two conflicting views on these weorms that exist in the hobby, that they are completely safe and that they are pure evil, are really too strict in either direction. The reality I have seen is somewhere in the middle, although much closer to the view that they are completely safe than to the alternative.

Based on what I have seen of the animals in my own tanks, these worms can go undetected for possibly years, so I am quite convinced that they can and do exist peacefully and harmlessly in most tanks when the ecosystem is properly set up. However, a sizable population of large non-Hermodice worms (which are probably Eurythoe) that are peaceful for years with sufficient access to food can suddenly turn quite destructive if deprived of food and not controlled by predation before they start to starve. Starved individuals will swarm and rasp at things that they wouldn't normally, including algae, corals, snails, and small, molting Crustaceans. The spines carry irritants, and snails can get stuck to death when the worms enter the mantle cavity of the shell, poke around, and trigger the snails to close up on the worms. This doesn't damage the worm's soft body, but forces many spines into the snail's soft tissue. The snail will then open up again quite quickly after being stuck, the worm forces in more, and the process repeats until the snail looks like a pincushion inside and slowly stops moving. Corals and freshly-molted Crustaceans are vulnerable because of softness and immobility, where they can either be rasped to death or rasped to the point where they don't recover for other reasons.

However, the situations I just described are incredibly rare and I would assume should not occur in the average well-kept tank. Still, it's something I've seen firsthand with worms that are clearly not in the infamous Hermodice genus. Non-Hermodice worms may be 99% safe, but one should be watchful for any large worms that start to be unusually active during the day, particularly if they ignore prodding with tongs.


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What is the likelyhood that these bit our clown fish the other week?

What do you mean by "bit"? Fish are likely to get stock with bristles, which can give them a furry patch for a while but will not harm them as long as it doesn't become infected. A healthy fish will not hold still long enough though for just about any fireworm-type bristleworm to get a hold of it with its mouth. Exceptions would be worms that are technically "bristleworms" taxonomically but aren't what the average hobbyists thinks of when they use the term, such as the Eunicids (which have substantial, pointed jaws).
 
Thanks for all the replies :) i feel somewhat more relieved now. These bristleworms were out in the middle of the tanks "day" time. I had just fed the clown fish and they all suddenly appeared so im not sure if this is a sign of them being hungry. Ive just recently changed the food in the tank so i dont think there is as much waste going to the bottom - maybe a reason why i havent seen them before?

It did creep me out to think i rescaped this tank a few months ago with bare hands lol.

I was going to try and get some of these out on monday with a huge pair of tweezers but think i am going to be on the sick for a few days :(
 
Well, if this tank was neglected like it was, before you showed up, I understand why they are perhaps coming out only now.


I've personally not had problems with my bristle worms, other than that I suspect they are bothering the roots of my sea grasses.
 

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