Breeding Bettas

[TribeOfShroom]

What can and can't I breed with a male Vail-Tail betta?? A bit of a silly question, but I thought I'd better check.

 

[jess6905]

to my understanding no matter what you breed a vt to you will get a more vt looking fish because the vt genetics are more dominate the other tail type. i know if you cross a vt to a ct you will get comb tails which look like a vt, but have slightly extended rays like a ct.

 

[blakenkayla]

wow that tail type seems interesting what is it called?

 

[TribeOfShroom]

So more matter what I breed him with, the offspring will have more dominant VT characteristics?

 

[Bubblenester]

So more matter what I breed him with, the offspring will have more dominant VT characteristics?

Yes, and it's considered very undesirable to introduce that into a line of deltas or halfmoons, which have been bred for years to move them away from the VT characteristics. I would stick to either VT x VT (no matter what breeders might think of them, pet stores still carry them and people still buy them!) or get a pair of delta or HM fish to breed. Of course, he's your fish and you can breed whatever you feel like breeding!

 

[TribeOfShroom]

I was kinda hoping there would be more scope for him. Hmm oh well. I'll find him a nice VT or CT female... see if I can get any interesting colour schemes going

 

[ibbledibble]

So more matter what I breed him with, the offspring will have more dominant VT characteristics?

i have to disagree with this slightly, if it is a pure VT then that may be the case, BUT i had read that if you bred a crowntail to a doubletail the F1 fry would all appear veiltail as that is the dominant gene. however many of them would carry the DT and/or CT genotype.
When bred to a different tail type partner these fry would produce a variety of tail types.
I got what i believe to be proof of this recently, when i purchased several females from the same breeder. I noticed upon receiving them a slight extension on the tails of 2 of the girls. Not as pronounced as on my crowntail girls, but very noticeable.
I mentioned this to the breeder who seemed surprised by this and told me that they had all come from 3 separate spawns between the same delta tail female and veiltail male. the delta tail girl had come from a breeder he knew and was confirmed as having come from delta parents, but he had no breeding history for the veiltail male.
he emailed me pictures of a couple of males from the spawn (which i'm not going to post as i haven't been given permission to do so) and one of them was a full doubletail, the other was either a Halfmoon or a very close superdelta.
so the result of breeding a delta to a veiltail resulted in a mix of veiltails, superdeltas/halfmoons, doubletails and combtails.

Don't want to get your hopes up as it really does depend what genetics are hidden within that veiltail.

 

[CrashingWaves]

All I know is most betta people don't like you breeding VT due to how many there are on the market already. The only way it's seen as alright is if their coloration is particularly unique.

God Bless,
Joshua

 

[MermaidMel]

Bit of bedtime reading there ^^^ very interesting stuff and completely mindboggling really!

 

[Amerce]

a VT with a CT will give you a combo of combtails, so veil tail length with spikes at the end.

Check out thess websites
http/www.bettatalk.com/betta_finnage.htm
http/justbettas.home.insightbb.com/finnage.html

 

[StaniFish]

i was going to ask this. I had never even heard of bettas before i came onto here, i only knew them as siamese fighters, i also got told that you can't put more than one together is this true?

 

[CrashingWaves]

i was going to ask this. I had never even heard of bettas before i came onto here, i only knew them as siamese fighters, i also got told that you can't put more than one together is this true?

You can't put two males together, that is very true. They will fight to the death with hesitation. You can put female betta together, though at times things get a little heated. But usually it's done with little problem (speaking from experience).

God Bless,
Joshua

 

[nakomis90]

Well i tell ya what when you get a VT female and start spawning we will both do a little bit of experimenting i have my VT couple and want to see what colours i can get from them
Fancy a challenge?

 

[modaz]

well as ibble states it depends on the hidden generation genetic thats in the vt but ive got some pics of my fry, one is a VT x CT and the other is a VT x HM and im just gunna be uploading the pics to take a good look, the VT is the same male used for both spawns so will let you know shortly what my findings are as not been able to notice anything in the fry up until recently, have to say that at present each set of fry look idential to their siblings as their tails go but further delving into the pictures should show some light on this issue.

 

[nakomis90]

well as ibble states it depends on the hidden generation genetic thats in the vt but ive got some pics of my fry, one is a VT x CT and the other is a VT x HM and im just gunna be uploading the pics to take a good look, the VT is the same male used for both spawns so will let you know shortly what my findings are as not been able to notice anything in the fry up until recently, have to say that at present each set of fry look idential to their siblings as their tails go but further delving into the pictures should show some light on this issue.

sounds good Modaz