Bowl question

[Cheese Specialist]

no there isn't a filter,
but its really hard to find healthy betta around here
i can't think of anything else, thats the problem
there has to be something else

hehehe i have a 3 year old comet (feeder) goldfish in a 4 gallon bowl
i know goldfish need 5gallons but he's small and the water conditions are ALWAYS perfect!

and why did you say guppies anyways?
they shouldn't be in anything less than a 5gallon in my opinion

With filtration two guppies could be kept in a 2 gallon. They only get about 2 inches, but I took that back when I saw that it was a bowl and not a tank. I am worried that you have a comet goldfish in a 4 gallon bowl. Those things get from 3 - 12 inches depending on breed, and they are messy fish. They really need a bigger home than 4 gallons IMO.

I agree! I don't think bwols should even be made. IMO goldfish need 8.5UK/10US per adult fish, fair enough if he's not big now but he never will be in something that size. I think the bigger the taank the less gallons per goldfish needed. But for one goldfish, it should have a 10US tank with proper filtration. The idea that an animal grows to it'sd environment is a dangerous one, it leads people to think it's ok to keep an animal in something small as the animal will just stay small enough to be fine. Well, NO!! Stunting is very dangerous, it means that the outer body of the fish is not growing to cope with the inside. The internal organs will be the same size.



Although I am unable to follow the goldfish per gallon rule, I know that my fish at least have the room to grow. So it's not a case of growth room with them but water quality which is always fine.

Sorry for the tangent.

 

[rsz]

Here is what I think to your list...

white cloud - no way, they want more swimming space.
zebra danios - same as the above.
dwarf frogs - yep
snails - yep... but isn't that a bit dull, a tank of snails?
male betta - yup
female betta - yup
ghost shrimp - yup
and glo-light tetra - no, they're schooling fish and they like a bit of space too...
guppies - in a tank, yes, in a bowl, no.

I think you'd be better off with another betta, even if the one you get is in bad condition I'm sure it would look better with a bit of tlc

 

[Pointy_kitty]

I am worried that you have a comet goldfish in a 4 gallon bowl. Those things get from 3 - 12 inches depending on breed, and they are messy fish. They really need a bigger home than 4 gallons IMO. Goldfish rank right up there with Oscars, they put off a lot of waste and IMO need a bigger filtered tank.

nonono my friend
the comets here don't get over 4 inches.
i don't know if they are being sold as comets and are something else but they do not get over 4" even in tanks (unless they are put into ponds)
i don't know if they were bred that way or what but ours stay small.
as for the filtration thing
in my experience (not saying it as a comet fact)
i do a water change once a week and there is almost no waste.
he does eat twice a day, and he isn't constipated.
he has room to swim and a nice plant and everything
and the water is room temp due to my space heater (even though they
do not need heaters)
this is a very healthy and happy fish who loves to eat from your hand

i beleive you underestimate the care i take of these fish. i only keep one comet at a time and they live a very LONG healthy life.

as for the betta i do agree with the tank life but the one i had previously i had rescued and had nowhere else to put it. now i was innocently wondering if there was anything else that could lead a happy life in a bowl

i am sorry to get frazzled but i am not a child and i feel slightly offended that you are "worried" about my fish as if i cannot take care of them.
i may be taking this the wrong way or maybe you worded your reply wrong but i hold no grudge on you
i am a nice person and i may like you but i do not like what you have said

 

[Cheese Specialist]

  I am worried that you have a comet goldfish in a 4 gallon bowl.  Those things get from 3 - 12 inches depending on breed, and they are messy fish.  They really need a bigger home than 4 gallons IMO.  Goldfish rank right up there with Oscars, they put off a lot of waste and IMO need a bigger filtered tank.  

they do not get over 4" even in tanks (unless they are put into ponds)

i am sorry to get frazzled but i am not a child and i feel slightly offended that you are "worried" about my fish as if i cannot take care of them.
i may be taking this the wrong way or maybe you worded your reply wrong but i hold no grudge on you
i am a nice person and i may like you but i do not like what you have said

I am sorry you feel like you are being picked on. What you are talking about in the first paragraph of your post in called stunting. When a fish is unable to grow fully in the environment it is being kept in. Maybe you should check out some goldfish forums if you don't already. All the ones I have ever been on maintain that goldfish need a minumum of 10 gallons per fish to thrive and grow fully.

You do not need to be a child to make a mistake, so I don't know what makes you think you are being treated like one. Also - "i am a nice person" - that does not mean you cannot be wrong/misinformed/etc.

I don't follow the 10gallons per fish rule myself but I would never keep a fish in a bowl. Incidently, this is true fpor all species of goldfish except for Koi and commons who need much more that 10 gallons.

It seems pretty poor to me that you are unable to accept any one else's view, we are all learning after all. I know that fish can adapt to different condtions but they are supposed to thrive, not just survive. You even said yourself that your fish would grow to a bigger size were it put into a pond.

How long is this "LONG healthy life" you speak of? Goldfish can live for 25 years and more, yet the average is more like a year. Goldfish can take a lot before it catches up with them. I had my coldwater fish (minus the loaches) in my 16UK/19US tank for a long time before I realised what I was doing was very wrong. My parmeters were perfect and the fish all seemed healthy and active. However, they never grew in the time I had them in there which is not right and as I began to learn I realised they were cramped and stunted. I bought a bigger tropical tank and moved the coldwater fish into the 35UK/41US and this is still not technically big enough but at least when I look at my fish I can see that they have enough room to swim around and be happy. If you are true to yourself, do you think your fish has enough room to swim and be happy?

Of course it's up to you what you do, but that doesn't mean you should go off on one because you are being advised differently.

 

[Adrinal]

10g tank... 10 bucks

And the 64-million dollar question: Where to put it?

how many inches wide is a bowl?
10g tank is only 10 inches x 20 inches.

I pulled a night stand out of the garbage for mine
It needs to be fairly sturdy but not in the way we think of the larger fish tanks.
Also the 10 side being front is np at all.

Even a 5gal is better, less thats one huge bowl (in which case there is certianly room for a 10g, 16x8. weight for this is less than 30lb.
As a kid the floor worked great for my 20g

And food for thought:
I never put my dog in the closet because I didnt have room elsewhere... I just didn't get a dog...

 

[Pointy_kitty]

You do not need to be a child to make a mistake, so I don't know what makes you think you are being treated like one. Also - "i am a nice person" - that does not mean you cannot be wrong/misinformed/etc.


It seems pretty poor to me that you are unable to accept any one else's view, we are all learning after all.

i think it is pretty poor that you don't fully read and obviously misinterpret my post.
for one thing i did not like the way the other post was worded.
i did not once state that they were wrong
i said "i am a nice person" so that they would not take offence if i was misunderstanding them.
never did i once say that "i am nice so i am right"
i was not at all implying that you'd have to be a child to make a mistake
i simply thought it sounded as if they didn't think i could take care of it
this is why i clearly stated that i may be misunderstanding and that i did not have a problem with them personaly

i am NOT stating that they are wrong and that is why i said that it was in my experience with comets "NOT AS A COMET FACT!"
and i did take their veiws into mind in fact i started to contemplate finding him a new home. i just don't beleive that i should feal guilty of a crime i did not know of, which is exactly how their words made me feel.

i beleive you are as guilty as me for over reacting

 

[Opcn]

Is it a comet or a common? Commets (named so because of there long flowing comet like fins) need more room because of the reduced mobility and 25 years is sort of like living to 50 and calling it a long life the average life span of a gold fish (dieing of old age) is 36.4 years not counting goldfish that are mistreated and kept in tanks.

Opcn

 

[Pointy_kitty]

Is it a comet or a common? Commets (named so because of there long flowing comet like fins) need more room because of the reduced mobility and 25 years is sort of like living to 50 and calling it a long life the average life span of a gold fish (dieing of old age) is 36.4 years not counting goldfish that are mistreated and kept in tanks.

Opcn

i thought it was a comet but obviously not
i dunno a common maybe?
i don't really know goldfish names

 

[Cheese Specialist]

LOL

I have not overreacted. It's up to you what you do and to be quite hinest I couldn't care less, you know now and that's all I' bothered abotu.

I just don't think you should go off on one and take offence. You say that it was something that you did not know of, but when you were informed you immediatly went against it and said some nonsense about how fish where you live don't get bigger than 4" in some sort of justification.

I did read your post and while I may have misinterpreted it, you should put yourself across better when you feel strongy about something. You did say you were being treated like a child -

"i am not a child and i feel slightly offended that you are "worried" about my fish as if i cannot take care of them."

Is that not you saying that a child would be more likely to not be able to take care of the fish and so children are more often mistaken? I am sorry if I am being pedantic but you might want to read what you are posting to see if it could be taken another way to which you meant it.

This is the end of it as far as I am concerned. I tried to help you by telling you my experience but rather than admit guilt to yourself you'd rather take offence to my advice. I know it's hard when you find out you have been innocently doing something wrong, especially when it's something that you love but as I said before, we are all learning.

 

[Pointy_kitty]

LOL

I have not overreacted. It's up to you what you do and to be quite hinest I couldn't care less, you know now and that's all I' bothered abotu.

I just don't think you should go off on one and take offence. You say that it was something that you did not know of, but when you were informed you immediatly went against it and said some nonsense about how fish where you live don't get bigger than 4" in some sort of justification.

I did read your post and while I may have misinterpreted it, you should put yourself across better when you feel strongy about something. You did say you were being treated like a child -

"i am not a child and i feel slightly offended that you are "worried" about my fish as if i cannot take care of them."

Is that not you saying that a child would be more likely to not be able to take care of the fish and so children are more often mistaken? I am sorry if I am being pedantic but you might want to read what you are posting to see if it could be taken another way to which you meant it.

This is the end of it as far as I am concerned. I tried to help you by telling you my experience but rather than admit guilt to yourself you'd rather take offence to my advice. I know it's hard when you find out you have been innocently doing something wrong, especially when it's something that you love but as I said before, we are all learning.

thats right i did say that but not in the way you repeated it
i felt like i was being treated as a child yes,
but you were telling me "You do not need to be a child to make a mistake"
which i had not stated. it is only that children are underestimated daily due to their age, concerning knowledge and capability. and i felt as if this was being used against me

i was truthful about the size of the fish here
but i do feel guilt in that (as i never said they were wrong) there is obviously the possibility that anyone can be wrong
i simply justified my reasons for doing it
you simply took every word i said, misinterpreted and used it against me,
i did not start this post to start a war but i was offended by a comment made.
i beleive i kindly stated that i had no grudge against this person, only disliked the way they stated something and you took it upon yourself to turn it into me "going off on someone".
i don't know why you did, because it had nothing to do with you and it was explained that i did not think negatively of the person.
well now it is finished

you have obviously over reacted

 

[Cheese Specialist]

Over reacting would imply that I care. I don't, people are free to mistreat your animals in any way they can justify to themselves.

Oh, and there's no need to thank me for taking the time to post a reply to your topic.

I am sorry that you feel it had nothing to do with me but I also commented on how bad it is to keep a goldfish, comet or otherwise in a bowl. It seems that you do not take the time to read the replies that people take time over to post for you.

Fair enough, it really is no concern of mine and I will simply not post in your topics in the future. What would be the point, considering you don't read them and contradict the small part that may go against you.

There was a lot in my posts that was aimed at advising you and telling you to not feel bad as we are all learning and that I myself have done it. You chose to either not read or not respond to those parts.

 

[Pointy_kitty]

your reasons for keeping this going are sad
i am sick of trying to explain to you what transpired and i have tried to make peace with you but you seem to look for an arguement

my thoughts:
i have nothing against anyone on the forum,
they have alot of useful knowledge and experience
i read ALL of the posts i get
sadly it looks like you sit on here and wait for someone to say something that just might possibly be "not all sunshine and rainbows" and then verbaly attack them attempting to be tactful about it
i feel bad for you
so you have 2 options
get over it, i will do the same and this will end
or "don't post replies in my questions"
either way is good
i honestly don't care
it would be just plain sad if you went to the trouble of "ignoring me"
how old are we?
please,
do us both a favor and don't reply
i apologize for anyone who had to waste their time reading this post
and i asure you i did not enjoy it

 

[Cheese Specialist]

Oh, do you know what...

I think you are right. I reacted more than I thought I had, and when I sat and thought about, I don't know why.

I am sorry. What I said in my posts was really trying to be helpful for the most part, but I know I didn't go about it the best way.

I think we both had a part to play in it but it does not excuse me going off on one, never mind you!

Hope we are ok?

Dana

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I pm'd this to pointy_kitty but thought I should make it public too.

Please understand that I hate the thought of animals being mistreated, whether innocently or on purpose.

Sorry for the bad feeling.

 

[Pointy_kitty]

i have contacted a neighbour who has a pond, and i talked him into taking my goldfish
he was so happy and friendly
i'm making the 4 gallon bowl into a shrimp paradise and keeping the other one for any offspring

 

[LoveMyOscar]

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