Blackout in advance

[ger87410]

I never eluded to the fact that the bacteria around vents is the bacteria in question. I'm not even sure how U guys jumped to that conclusion from my description about different types of bacteria. They obviously don't need a constant flow of water in order to live otherwise the fish in ponds and such wouldn't be able to survive. Anyone got any websites with actual scientific knowledge on these guys? I would have to say that fish keeping is a science.

EDIT: We also forgot about the betta tank. That has no filter at all, but the bugger is still alive. If the betta can live without a filter, isn't it logical to assume that the other 1 fish can live without a filter too? By the way, what is this 1 fish?

 

[smithrc]

EDIT: We also forgot about the betta tank. That has no filter at all, but the bugger is still alive. If the betta can live without a filter, isn't it logical to assume that the other 1 fish can live without a filter too? By the way, what is this 1 fish?

the fish is a puffer... it says in the thread somewhere

if your arguing about bacterial colinisation habits i'd have though you may have been a bit more up to speed on bettas. Bettas dont have to have filtered water as they breath using a 'labirynth organ' and actually take oxygen from the surface. this means that the water is not strained through gills and the ammonia and nitrites etc have a lot lower effect on them. (i'd still filter and heat - but thats just me)

Gill breathing fish are a lot more suseptable to these chemicals due to the way they absorb oxygen (amoungst other reasons). and without the bacteria working... these levels build up quite quickly.

 

[ger87410]

I knew about the labrynth organ. Gouramis have it to. Also, colonization habits of bacteria haven't got too much to do with bettas, so I don't know how you made that jump either: "if your arguing about bacterial colinisation habits i'd have though you may have been a bit more up to speed on bettas". Perhaps there's a misunderstanding somewhere about bettas. 1 of these days I'll search the internet when I have time and find out exactly what the answer to the question of where they breath most is answered. They still have gills. They still use them. The gills are not like the hind leg appendages in some snakes. Ammonia is toxic to animals even if not breathed. I don't know about nitrite, don't care enough to research. If ammonia is in the water the fish will still have problems no matter if it's breathing it. We digress from what was trying to be addressed here: colonization habits of bacteria. Anyone know? I think so far all I'm hearing is speculation. I haven't seen the answer yet.

 

[FishDan]

I never eluded to the fact that the bacteria around vents is the bacteria in question. I'm not even sure how U guys jumped to that conclusion from my description about different types of bacteria.

I was simply making a comparision between the two. I was simply trying to point out that some of the bacteria you mention are much much more hardy and able to survive environments that the ones in our aquariums can't. It would seem to me that you made the indirect comparision by bringing them up in the first place. In any event, it was not my intention to imply that you implied the two are the same type of bacteria.

They obviously don't need a constant flow of water in order to live otherwise the fish in ponds and such wouldn't be able to survive.

Ponds have flow, even if it is not noticable. This goes for natural and "backyard" ponds. Water is a fluid, and fluids are not "still" until their physical state is changed from a fluid to, for example, ice. This flow brings oxygen to the bacterial colonies so that they may do their job of nitrification.

\Dan

 

[Moving Shadow]

Interesting topic here. But too many specifics!!!!!

Having had a fair amount of teaching on the topic of bacteria (don't ask,VERY boring) most bacteria (almost all) are incredibly hardy, and most without a suppky of vital elements (e.g O2, food etc) will either just slow down their metabolic rates to accomodate (but not stop) or go into a type of hibernation, and will become fully functional when to filter goes back on

So need to worry too much then. Having said that if they are deprived for too long they will start to decline. But that will take a hell of a lot of time.

If you doubt just remember how much crap (and other stuff) is in your tank (even a very clean one) and think that the bacteria could not care less!!!!!

In the end a power blackout is going to cause you more frustration by having no hot water, no lights, tv internet or anything else that you are used to

Laters

 

[ger87410]

Thank you very much Moving shadow. That's exactly the answer I was looking for: an explanation of how and why.

 

[smithrc]

so we dont need to worry about our bacteria in a poweroutage then?

fair enough.

 

[GP]

Well, so far, there has been no blackout, our huge fountain has gone back on, meaning they no longer need to conserve energy, and that means there will be no blackout.. phew. Anyway, the fish are all fine and dandy, and I just wanted to thank you for all your help.