Bit Of Advice Needed...

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never really done this cycling thing before or knew anything about it. my tank is quite new, its got fish in it (i know it would be better if it didnt) erm i added some of this stuff http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2wfuycw&s=7 and the water that the fish came in, so just wondering would that help things along in terms of the bacteria growing and fish not flopping on me? :/ really dont want them to die, i dont have a water testing kit at the moment (not got much money at the moment, so when pay day comes i'll get one) would changin a few cups worth of water daily help?
 
Hiya! :)

I'm new to fishkeeping and never knew about the cycling thing as well.

I didn't have any water testing kits when I got my tank and I've come to learn how important it is to have one :S

I did some research on cycling your tank with fish. The main concern is to make sure your water doesn't have too much ammonia. Ammonia can come from uneaten food and fish waste. Here's a web that helped me http://www.oscarfishlover.com/how-to-cycle-a-tank

I'm around 3 weeks into my new tank and after a 70% water change plus medication (I had fungal and white spot problems), my fish are doing fine. :D

Since you've added some bacteria in a bottle, maybe it'd help? I'm not so sure about those things. All the best with your tank! :)
 
When I started I didn't know about cycling either. expect a few losses depending on the fish you have. during cycling I have noticed the stages it goes through. first your tank may get cloudy. then your ph bolts over measurable levels and then slowly goes down. you are normally supposed to let it cycle a month.
 
never really done this cycling thing before or knew anything about it. my tank is quite new, its got fish in it (i know it would be better if it didnt) erm i added some of this stuff http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2wfuycw&s=7 and the water that the fish came in, so just wondering would that help things along in terms of the bacteria growing and fish not flopping on me? :/ really dont want them to die, i dont have a water testing kit at the moment (not got much money at the moment, so when pay day comes i'll get one) would changin a few cups worth of water daily help?


Hi, welcome to the forum.

Have a read of this link. It's a detailed description of the job you need to do to keep your fish healthy.

You have two major priorities. First, you need to be doing BIG water changes every day. A few cups will be worthless. Fish produce ammonia, which is poisonous to them - in the wild, the ammonia is diluted into thousands upon thousands of gallons of water. In your aquarium, it only has a few gallons. You have to keep the ammonia level down under 0.25 parts per million. When your filter starts to grow its bacteria, that ammonia will be turned into nitrite. It is also poisonous to fish, so you have to keep the nitrite level down under 0.25ppm as well.

The only way you can tell what the ammonia and nitrite levels are is by testing your water. The dip-strip tests are notoriously unreliable, so please make the investment in liquid tests. Once you know what the levels are, you will be able to work out how much water to change. If you find you have, say 1ppm of ammonia, you have to change 75%, just to get it down to that 0.25ppm target. But then more ammonia is produced by the fish, so within an hour or so, the ammonia level is back at poisonous levels. You need to change enough water that the levels do not go over that 0.25ppm target by the time you are available again to change the water.

If you find you have 2ppm, you have to do more than one water change. A 75% change will only get you down to 0.5ppm, so you would then need to do another change of over 50% to get you under the target.

It's perfectly acceptable to do such big changes, so long as you refill with dechlorinated water, and it is roughly the same temperature as the water you removed. So long as you leave the fish enough water to swim upright in, you can safely remove the rest.

The "Bacteria In A Bottle" product you bought I do not wish to comment upon. Many forum members say that these products are worthless. I can only tell you that when I used a similar product, it made no appreciable difference to my filter.

A fish-in cycle is very hard work, but perfectly feasible, provided you are going to do it right.

Good luck, if you have any more questions (and I'll be surprised if you don't), there are so many people on here happy to help, just post up your queries, and you'll get answers from some very experienced aquarists (and me.)
 
Ditto what lock man says, you want to be doing large water changes, you'll fish will appreciate that! just make sure it is decholrinated tap water ( you can buy a liquid to do this) otherwise the chlorine in the new water will kill off the beneficiall bacteria which is growing in your filter.

personally i would try to avoid overfeeding until the tank is a bit further a long...but dont stop! lol

Also, if you have gravel, may do some gravel cleanups to get rid off the extra muck on the bottom which will be putting a heavier load on the bacteria until they are better prepared.
 
You always want to be doing a gravel vac every time you change the water. Getting any muck out of the gravel will greatly decrease the chances of ammonia rising too quickly.


Your water changes will need to be as large as possible to keep the ammonia and nitrite levels below 0.25ppm. There is no way to know what that level is without a test kit though. Be sure to get one - liquid kits are much more reliable than the strips.

Water changes are NOT stressful for fish, even ones that take the water down to the level that the fish can just barely swim upright in it. Remember the simple principles of mathematics when determining what size water change is needed. A 1ppm reading requires AT THE VERY LEAST a 75% water change. A 50% water change would only lower the value to 0.5ppm, while 75% would bring the value down to 0.25ppm. If you keep your water changes frequent and large you will give your fish the absolute best chance of survival. I would recommend that you always do a 75% or more change any time the ammonia level tests at 0.25ppm or higher. Frequent testing and responding to the levels will give you a chance to learn the rhythm of your tank. Less feeding will end up with less ammonia. Remember, only feed the amount that the fish can COMPLETELY eat in 1-2minutes once a day. Another option would be to feed the amount they can completely eat in 30 seconds twice a day. Their stomach is generally the size of their eye, so beware of overfeeding! They will always act "hungry", but that doesn't mean that they need the extra food. They are cold-blooded animals. They don't need food to regulate their body temp. Also, they can be fasted at least once a week without any trouble, and if your levels ever go ridiculously high for a period, you can stop feeding for 3 days or so without any danger of them starving to death. Many experienced keepers will fast their fish for a week straight if they are out of town, and the fish are just fine afterwards. (Ultimately, they are probably a little healthier for it!)
 
Anything with the word zyme in it is worthless, imo. If you want to get live bacteria in a bottle that will work, go here http://www.drtimsaquatics.com/

Be sure to read all the links related to bacteria and cycling so you are familiar with the process and the product. Also, be sure to follow their instructions since the more you deviate from them, the lower your chances of success will be when using their product.
 
i have a question..will this stuff work to kill the ammonia and other harmful things? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qrlla8&s=7



i bought this from the shop http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2j64tnc&s=7 <--- do i put some in the tank with the fishes in there or will that be bad?
 
I wouldn't bother using the 'safe water' ; none of those products do anything helpful; the bacteria can't stay alive in a bottle, unfortunately.

The aqua safe is a perfectly good dechlorinator; use that and do plenty of water changes rather than using any additives :good:
 
i have a question..will this stuff work to kill the ammonia and other harmful things? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qrlla8&s=7



i bought this from the shop http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2j64tnc&s=7 <--- do i put some in the tank with the fishes in there or will that be bad?


You add it to the tank with the fish in, it wont harm them at all.

The first link is certainly an ammonioa & nitrite remover although I cant see if it is a dechlorinator from that photo.

The second link is a dechlorinator.

Your best bet is to buy some Seachem Prime . This stuff is great. It removes chlorine, chloramine and ammonia and also detoxifies Nitrite and Nitrate.
It quite expensive but is realy concentrated so a little goes a looooong way.


Tom
 
I wouldn't bother using the 'safe water' ; none of those products do anything helpful; the bacteria can't stay alive in a bottle, unfortunately.

The aqua safe is a perfectly good dechlorinator; use that and do plenty of water changes rather than using any additives :good:


thanks mate! :good: ive heard that before that it cant stay alive in the bottle, dont know how they get away with selling that stuff then :angry:
 

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