Betta Helps. :(

[Weew]

Tank size: 125ltr.
pH: around 7.
ammonia: Between 0.50 & 0.75. (Im working on this.)
nitrite:0.25ppm
nitrate: Around 2ppm
kH:16d? (using a sh1tty test stick thingy)
gH: 6d? (^^^^^^)
tank temp: 27degrees

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
Im under the assumption that the fish have an outbreak of white spot.
although all my my other fish are acting normally, swimming, feeding and generally being fishy. My Betta is not. He keeps sinking to the bottom and sitting on the gravel. Hes not swimming around as much as usual and im wondering if the white spot is effecting him more than the others. Its not ALL the time, he will swim up for air and feeding. He has no colour change or lesions.

Volume and Frequency of water changes:
We changed the water today, around a 40-50% change. And we filled it back up with treated water. We plan on doing another 30%ish change tonight to try and get rid of that ammonia.

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:
Aqua One water conditioner.

Tank inhabitants:
1 fighter.
One angelfish.
9 Neon tetras.
2 male mollies.
1 female guppy
1 male guppy.
2 platys.

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):
The female guppy about a week ago and a new bio-orb plant at the same time. Not real.

Exposure to chemicals:
The only thing we've added to the tank is the water treatment. Its Aqua one health+ water conditioner.

Digital photo (include if possible):

Tank Age (How long the tank has been up and running): 2 weeks today. Its a very very new tank.

Recent Events in the tank (things such as algea blooms, illnesses.. etc.. that have been treated recently: We had one sickly neon tetra that died the day we got him. Nothing else seemed sick around the time he died or after.

The type and size of your filtration: Aqua One Moray 700L

And for anyone that cares im from England.
Im if i have not given enough information or explained things correctly.

 

[BerryAttack]

well he breaths air like we do so i would say put him in a container that he is able to reach the surface very easily... but whats wrong with him.. i don't know. you say that they have white spots that could be a break out of ich, check online for pictures and compare.

 

[phoenixgsd]

have a read of this link it will explain cycling to you http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/277264-beginners-resource-center/ unfortunatly neon tetras dont do well in new tanks and be prepared to do so many water changes your bill will be through the roof, cycling with that many fish is gonna be alot of work, personally i would return the some, if not all fish, especially the angel to the shop, i have heard angels can be agressive and might pick on all your long finned fish, guppys and betta, it sounds like your already working on the ammonia and nitrite issues, as you know they should be 0ppm, have a read of the link given, its like the bible for newbies


i dont see any white spot in that picture, has he been rubbing up against plants or ornaments alot, like hes having a scratch? i suspect his behaviour is probably due to ammonia and nitrite poisioning, you also need to invest in a liquid based test kit

 

[Weew]

BarryAttack - I plan on buying a small quarantine tank tomorrow. The white spot looks much like this (http/3.bp.blogspot.com/_fxnYnYdViL4/TRr5YN8OekI/AAAAAAAAAck/6zJJQ-HcZOw/s400/white-spot-fish-disease-picture.jpg) only there is only one and its smaller than most of those.

Phoenixgsd - I an reading though that now, thankyou for the link. I always thought that angelfish if brought when they are young would grow getting on with other fish. And also, i heard that if you get 2 angelfish they will both form a team and be agressive whereas one on his own should be fine is a peaceful tank?

The white spot is on his head, its very hard to photograph fish i have just found out. haha.

I havent noticed him rubbing on anything. & i have a liquid kit.

Thanks for info guys.

x

 

[Electric Warrior]

Yeah, I don't see any white spots on that fish, so do any of the other fish have white spots? What is happening looks and sounds like ammonia poisoning. Obviously, as you know, .50-.75 is way too high. I am assuming from the way it sounds, that your tank isn't cycled? First, with ammonia like that and fish, you need to be doing like 90% water changes. Anything above .25 will certainly start killing your fish, likely the tetras will be the first to go. Sorry to sound harsh, but a lot of us made mistakes like this with our first ever tanks. If I were you I would try to take the fish back, and read up in the link that phoenixgsd posted about cycling. Also, just so you know, some of those fish that you have listed are not suitable with each other as far as needed water conditions go, like mollies are really brackish water fish, guppies really need hard, alkaline water, whereas angelfish (who also need a pair or 6+) and tetras prefer soft, acidic water.

I know a lot of new fishkeepers are attracted to tetras because of the fantastic colours, but they are probably some of the worst fish to put into a new, or un-cycled tank.

 

[Weew]

Yeah, I don't see any white spots on that fish, so do any of the other fish have white spots? What is happening looks and sounds like ammonia poisoning. Obviously, as you know, .50-.75 is way too high. I am assuming from the way it sounds, that your tank isn't cycled? First, with ammonia like that and fish, you need to be doing like 90% water changes. Anything above .25 will certainly start killing your fish, likely the tetras will be the first to go. Sorry to sound harsh, but a lot of us made mistakes like this with our first ever tanks. If I were you I would try to take the fish back, and read up in the link that phoenixgsd posted about cycling. Also, just so you know, some of those fish that you have listed are not suitable with each other as far as needed water conditions go, like mollies are really brackish water fish, guppies really need hard, alkaline water, whereas angelfish (who also need a pair or 6+) and tetras prefer soft, acidic water.

Woah, i thought i did alot of reading up before i got my tank. Now i feel like i dont know anything. Thankyou for this advice.

My other fish DO have small white spots too. But none of them are lethargic like my betta has become.

Yeah, this ammonia is very high. We went away this weekend and left the fish to be fed and stuff by my fiances dad. When we came back, we checked the water staight away and did a water change as soon as we realised. Do you think its worth doing a 90% water change now? (after doing a 50% earlier today)

according to my fiancee when we added the fish the tank was cycled. So we asked the guy from the shop we got our fish from which to get first, he recommended mollies and guppies. Everything we have in our tank we have been advised by the shop guy to get. He obviously doesnt know what hes talking about. >:[

Ill talk with my fiancee and see what he can do about getting them back to where they came from.

Thank again friends.

x

 

[Electric Warrior]

Yeah, I don't see any white spots on that fish, so do any of the other fish have white spots? What is happening looks and sounds like ammonia poisoning. Obviously, as you know, .50-.75 is way too high. I am assuming from the way it sounds, that your tank isn't cycled? First, with ammonia like that and fish, you need to be doing like 90% water changes. Anything above .25 will certainly start killing your fish, likely the tetras will be the first to go. Sorry to sound harsh, but a lot of us made mistakes like this with our first ever tanks. If I were you I would try to take the fish back, and read up in the link that phoenixgsd posted about cycling. Also, just so you know, some of those fish that you have listed are not suitable with each other as far as needed water conditions go, like mollies are really brackish water fish, guppies really need hard, alkaline water, whereas angelfish (who also need a pair or 6+) and tetras prefer soft, acidic water.

Woah, i thought i did alot of reading up before i got my tank. Now i feel like i dont know anything. Thankyou for this advice.

My other fish DO have small white spots too. But none of them are lethargic like my betta has become.

Yeah, this ammonia is very high. We went away this weekend and left the fish to be fed and stuff by my fiances dad. When we came back, we checked the water staight away and did a water change as soon as we realised. Do you think its worth doing a 90% water change now? (after doing a 50% earlier today)

We did a fishless cycle. And according to my fiancee when we added the fish the tank was cycled. So we asked the guy from the shop we got our fish from which to get first, he recommended mollies and guppies. Everything we have in our tank we have been advised by the shop guy to get. He obviously doesnt know what hes talking about. >:[

Ill talk with my fiancee and see what he can do about getting them back to where they came from.

Thank again friends.

x

Okay, so basically if your other fish have white spots too (I couldn't see it on the betta in the pic), so it probably is ich. In which case you will be needing to treat the whole tank. How did you fishless cycle the tank? With ammonia? How long did it take you to do it? I mean, it is possible to sometimes get an ammonia spike in a cycled tank if you overstock right away, and I would say that you are kind of verging on overstocked in a 125L tank... If your tank wasn't fully cycled completely, you might be having some new tank syndrome. An ich outbreak doesn't really happen because of ammonia per say, but poor water quality can stress fish which in turn will accelerate ich.

I am also assuming that as of right now, you aren't treating with any meds yet? In that case, yes, check your ammonia and if you see anything at .25 or above, you really need to do a almost complete water change in order to keep the ammonia at bay, most importantly, because that is likely to kill fish before the ich will. Then read up in the section about treating ich, as if it's done right and quickly, it's usually pretty easy to treat. This is assuming that you dont give the fish back. If you do, they will likely ask for a water sample, and if they read ammonia/nitrite, they will likely blame the ill fish on you if you know what I mean.

 

[Weew]

Yes they do. I am going to buy some meds for them tomorrow. We only got back today and noiced the problems.

Well, the idiot guy at the shop told us that with what we put in the tank it would be cycled within 3 days! Not weeks. >:[

I am doing the water change now. I dont think they will take the fish back even if they have ich. So im going to do my best to treat it and hope they dont all die. Im going to alot of reading ofthis forum now that i have found it.

Thanks again.

 

[Electric Warrior]

Yes they do. I am going to buy some meds for them tomorrow. We only got back today and noiced the problems.

Well, the idiot guy at the shop told us that with what we put in the tank it would be cycled within 3 days! Not weeks. >:[

I am doing the water change now. I dont think they will take the fish back even if they have ich. So im going to do my best to treat it and hope they dont all die. Im going to alot of reading ofthis forum now that i have found it.

Thanks again.

Yeah, you are learning very quickly to take things that some fish shops will tell you with a grain of salt! We've all done it at one point. In all reality, there is not really any way to cycle a tank in three days unless you take mature filter media from another healthy tank and put that into your filter. Definitely get the ammonia under control and then buy some meds (check the resource section because there are a lot of some are considered better than others) tomorrow. Some people even just use aquarium salt and higher temperatures to treat. This is from a cichlid page, but still a good resource on ich.

ICH

 

[Weew]

Yes they do. I am going to buy some meds for them tomorrow. We only got back today and noiced the problems.

Well, the idiot guy at the shop told us that with what we put in the tank it would be cycled within 3 days! Not weeks. >:[

I am doing the water change now. I dont think they will take the fish back even if they have ich. So im going to do my best to treat it and hope they dont all die. Im going to alot of reading ofthis forum now that i have found it.

Thanks again.

Yeah, you are learning very quickly to take things that some fish shops will tell you with a grain of salt! We've all done it at one point. In all reality, there is not really any way to cycle a tank in three days unless you take mature filter media from another healthy tank and put that into your filter. Definitely get the ammonia under control and then buy some meds (check the resource section because there are a lot of some are considered better than others) tomorrow. Some people even just use aquarium salt and higher temperatures to treat. This is from a cichlid page, but still a good resource on ich.

ICH

I am indeed. I just dont understand how they can give out false information like that! So annoying.

We have been taking steps to get the ammonia sorted out today. Another water change and its alot better. We have got some meds aswell today, now we are just reading up on what to do so it will be most effective.

My betta however has started floating about on top of the water. Im suspecting swim bladder..? Anyway, we're keeping an eye on him. Someone told me to feed him a pea? (not sure how effective that is)

x

 

[Electric Warrior]

Any more updates on your beta/fish?

 

[Weew]

We're treating for ich.

He has started to hide in the dark holes inside one of our decorations. Hes in there all the time. I dont know if this is just how he is or if something is still bothering him.

He comes out for food and swims about abit. But spends most of his time hidden in the wee holes. Is this normal?

x

 

[phoenixgsd]

some fish will hide if they feel threatened, or of course if they are ill, have you seen any dominence issues, chasing ect, my betta has his favorite hiding spots and sometimes just sits there for ages watching the tank swim by, this is normal for him though

 

[Weew]

My tank is fairly new, and my betta a fairly new addition. So it might be that this is normal for him, I guess ill find out.

Him and the angelfish dont get on too well. When the come across eachother they're both fairly "GTFO i dont want you near me!"

So it might be that he feels abit threatened by the angelfish, in which case we'll rehome the angel.

x

 

[phoenixgsd]

its usually wise to only have one terortorial fish in your tank unless the tank is massive and there are loads of hiding places and plants, sometimes it works sometimes it dosnt, personally i would rehome one or the other