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Betta Fighting Today
- Thread starter Inchworm
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Pointy_kitty
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thanx guys 
buggyboutbettas
Fishaholic
GOOD POINT, pointy! 
hats off to you!
hats off to you!
Here are my views on the topic:
Many of you know that I am a very avid Beta breeder and keeper and I too have my ways of 'fighting' betas. However, I do not do it for a profit and I do not do it to try and see which fish is going to die first. In some remote shows, the art of Beta fighting simply is there to determine which fish is more intimidating and which fish has the gaul to take the first attack. It goes no farther than that.
About the wepage, Inchworm:
People who decide that fighting betas is a sport in which to gamble over and something to spread into the homes of people who do not reallly know what they are doping, should not be aloud to partake in the hobby oof keeping a gorgeous fish such as the beta. It should not be for profit, it should be a personal experience for study, or even just to watch the brilliant colors of the beta as they flare up at one another.
Many of you know that I am a very avid Beta breeder and keeper and I too have my ways of 'fighting' betas. However, I do not do it for a profit and I do not do it to try and see which fish is going to die first. In some remote shows, the art of Beta fighting simply is there to determine which fish is more intimidating and which fish has the gaul to take the first attack. It goes no farther than that.
About the wepage, Inchworm:
People who decide that fighting betas is a sport in which to gamble over and something to spread into the homes of people who do not reallly know what they are doping, should not be aloud to partake in the hobby oof keeping a gorgeous fish such as the beta. It should not be for profit, it should be a personal experience for study, or even just to watch the brilliant colors of the beta as they flare up at one another.
buggyboutbettas
Fishaholic
B-E-T-T-A (spelling correction for FishHeads)
im assuming that his way is to flare up the bettas by putting them together,
then watch them flare themselves up, to see their full "beauty" (if you call it that, either way im indefinite) and from there see which one attacks first? although they may just end it at flaring -, and then break the fight, split them, and from there they determine which one has more balls -
in this process there is no extensive damage and the breeder determines - by judgiing the flaring, which is the dominant and more powerful male, this is similar to territorial disputes between lions, there is often no lethal fighting(unless the other lion is just stupid or desperate) and the dispute is settled by intimidation of each others manes- the bigger the better - the loser usually backs off - the strong win the weak die - whether you like or not, it happens, with or without human intervention, this is also what some consider selective breeding or if you will survival of the fittest -
obviously this method and theorey is still controversial but it sounds better than a deathmatch for me -
am i right?
then watch them flare themselves up, to see their full "beauty" (if you call it that, either way im indefinite) and from there see which one attacks first? although they may just end it at flaring -, and then break the fight, split them, and from there they determine which one has more balls -
in this process there is no extensive damage and the breeder determines - by judgiing the flaring, which is the dominant and more powerful male, this is similar to territorial disputes between lions, there is often no lethal fighting(unless the other lion is just stupid or desperate) and the dispute is settled by intimidation of each others manes- the bigger the better - the loser usually backs off - the strong win the weak die - whether you like or not, it happens, with or without human intervention, this is also what some consider selective breeding or if you will survival of the fittest -
obviously this method and theorey is still controversial but it sounds better than a deathmatch for me -
am i right?
suemack
Fishaholic
does a fish feel pain, fear, terror? They don't have the same sort of brain, nervous system that man does ....but they do have them - and they do react to injury, shock, stress.
All of the arguments regarding it being their natural instinct to fight, part of the Thai culture, a tradition, these are the sort of excuses we hear on a regular basis in my work at an animal welfare agency. People who fight dogs claim they love it.....and they HAVE been bred for it.....but does that make it right. Bears are kept in small cages, they are declawed, teeth removed and they are abused physically and mentally in the name of culture and tradition....is this right. It is the culture in some cultures for girl children to be circumsized.....does the fact that it is 'tradition' and 'part of the culture' make it right. It is the tradition and culturally acceptable in some countries for children (especially girl children who are of no consequence) to be sold into slavery to help support the family.....is this right. There are vanishing species of tigers, elephants, whales and many other species because their tusks, feet, byproducts have traditional uses.......is this right.
Even if it's not against the law of man to raise and keep fish to use for fighting ....surely it is against the law of mankind. To breed, raise or keep any living thing to be used for fighting just so that we can be entertained by watching them be injured, terrified, in pain diminishes us......these fish do not have the choice to swim away.
And I'm sorry ...but to me the claim that something is ok because it is a tradition....doesn't make it right.
sue
All of the arguments regarding it being their natural instinct to fight, part of the Thai culture, a tradition, these are the sort of excuses we hear on a regular basis in my work at an animal welfare agency. People who fight dogs claim they love it.....and they HAVE been bred for it.....but does that make it right. Bears are kept in small cages, they are declawed, teeth removed and they are abused physically and mentally in the name of culture and tradition....is this right. It is the culture in some cultures for girl children to be circumsized.....does the fact that it is 'tradition' and 'part of the culture' make it right. It is the tradition and culturally acceptable in some countries for children (especially girl children who are of no consequence) to be sold into slavery to help support the family.....is this right. There are vanishing species of tigers, elephants, whales and many other species because their tusks, feet, byproducts have traditional uses.......is this right.
Even if it's not against the law of man to raise and keep fish to use for fighting ....surely it is against the law of mankind. To breed, raise or keep any living thing to be used for fighting just so that we can be entertained by watching them be injured, terrified, in pain diminishes us......these fish do not have the choice to swim away.
And I'm sorry ...but to me the claim that something is ok because it is a tradition....doesn't make it right.
sue
buggyboutbettas
Fishaholic
Well said suemack.
I believe that that is the case in point right there.
I believe that that is the case in point right there.
White Whale
Granola bar gone bad....
But isn't it against the law of nature to alter a living creature's appearance just to make it more pleasing to the human eye just because we deem it's natural/original appearance to be not so appealing? Is not genetic manipulation by man against the laws of nature? These longfin bettas would have never naturally evolved into the ornamental form we see today.suemack said:
Also, in the sport of betta fighting, they do NOT allow them to fight to the death. Once one fish starts to run, the stop the match immediately. A fight is what they came to see and wager on. No one wants to see a slaughter. They take time to prepare, and if they believe their fighter is not up to it, then they DO NOT allow it to fight.
Take the Thai boxers, for instance. They are out to absolutely destroy each other in the ring. You can see by the way they fight it looks like they hate each other. And that's what makes it one of the most lethal martial arts. But when the match is over, they are like brothers. They understand it is just sport. And they have respect for one another and for life.
not to get off topic but..Itty Bitty Betta said:
i picked up an awesome thai dvd last night in chinatown called "ong bak". you gotta check it out if you are at all interested in muay thai. it's one of the first films i've seen that features thai boxing, it stars the thai "jackie chan" (can't recall his name but he is a famous stunt man), and he is simply amazing. check check it outt... gouramiguy
Fish Crazy
Pointy_kitty is rite
p.s. does anybody like my avatar
p.s. does anybody like my avatar
Auratus
Why am I browsing a fish forum at 2am?
Everyone keeps talking about Thai culture but this isn't Thailand.
People here in America have no respect for the fish. I mean look how petstores keep them. They don't practice the same thoughts Thai people do. So going on about how great the Thai people care for their fish doesn't help with all the weirdos that fight them to the death.
People here in America have no respect for the fish. I mean look how petstores keep them. They don't practice the same thoughts Thai people do. So going on about how great the Thai people care for their fish doesn't help with all the weirdos that fight them to the death.
i think discussing thai culture in retrospect to betta fighting is valid because it informs people (with preconcieved notions) that fighting fish to the death is NOT what it is all about. if it causes one person to think twice about what they are getting into (and why they are getting into it) then it's worth it.Auratus said:
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