Are These The Standard Variety?

[trojannemo]

well you guys showed me that i know near to nothing about bettas. i knew about the "standard" variety (is that the veil tail?) and the crown tail, and didn't know about the rest. then i went through your posts and found out one of my previous "standard females" was actually a plakat male!
anyways, can you id these two just so that i'm relaxed!

she's a very tiny girl that's in my community tank. it's the 3rd female i put in there and the last, as the other two died and i'm tired of dying bettas
her name is Venus

and he's Banana, which i believe to be a male Veil Tail? he lives in his own 2 (or 2.5) gallon goldfish drum (by himself of course, no goldfish!)

got both from the LFS for less than $4 each so im pretty sure they're not anything special, but just want to be sure you know.
thanks!

btw, are male bettas supposed to get along with cardinal tetras? before Banana we had a red Crown Tail who didnt play nice when I added two neon tetras to give him company...I would really like to see some tetras in there with him but not if he's gonna kill them!

 

[ReMz]

First pic looks like a nice female. consider keeping them in a tank with 4 or more to keep peace... research keeping female tanks if you already havent. (i'm unfamiliar with your setup, so not insulting your knowledge if you already know)

Banana is certainly a VT. Unfortunately those are some very torn up fins. Consider treating for fin rot just to be safe. That back fin should be one solid mass. $4 is a fair price. Just take care of them and make sure they become healthy.

Tetras can be iffy. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Get that male betta in good condition before even considering tank mates. The information is out there if you search these forums for tank mates.

edit: just re-read your post.... NOOOOO tank mates for you. get your betta a large heated and filtered tank before you even think about other fish. .........

 

[trojannemo]

First pic looks like a nice female. consider keeping them in a tank with 4 or more to keep peace... research keeping female tanks if you already havent. (i'm unfamiliar with your setup, so not insulting your knowledge if you already know)

Banana is certainly a VT. Unfortunately those are some very torn up fins. Consider treating for fin rot just to be safe. That back fin should be one solid mass. $4 is a fair price. Just take care of them and make sure they become healthy.

Tetras can be iffy. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Get that male betta in good condition before even considering tank mates. The information is out there if you search these forums for tank mates.

edit: just re-read your post.... NOOOOO tank mates for you. get your betta a large heated and filtered tank before you even think about other fish. .........

i'm already planning on creating a betta tank, with heater and biofilter. the problem is that Banana is a fish I take care of but is in my parent's room. it's "their" fish. and where they have him there's no space for a bigger tank (i've got a 10G ready to go...) so that drum was the biggest thing i could wrestle them to get him. being that size, i've tried different filters, and all the HOB ones are too big, and the internal ones suck. so i decided to just do frequent water changes. for the heating, i dont know what size heater to get for something so small, i'm afraid of overheating or something!
why would his fin be messed up? i cant recall of the top of my head, but i'm pretty sure he's in the same condition we bought him, as he's always been alone, always had clean water and food.

so is the female a VT female?

 

[JellyPi3]

So is his tank unheated? That can be very dangerous for a fish, especially in a small body of water, where the temperature is affected by the surroundings. You could get a temporary tupperware box, or something a bit larger to house him and a heater in (a 25W should do fine). Also, i would recomment a small filter, it makes life alot easier.

With regards to his tail, it is frayed at the ends and split. A VT tail should be constant, and end with a nice pointed end with no frays or splits. It could be where he was housed before you bought him, that his tail was damaged in transport or tank mates. I always dose my tanks with Melafix if i notice a split tail. It does the fish the world of good.

Apart from that, he is a lovely colour.

And i am not too sure about the female...i don't think its a VT, but i'm not an expert with females...best leave it to someone with more experience.

x

 

[ibbledibble]

having read your other post, i have to ask, do you still have a male VT in the community tank? if so, you should not have any females in there. that would likely be why they keep dying. accepted wisdom is that female bettas can be kept together, but not with male bettas (except under strictly controlled conditions for breeding) and male bettas should not be kept with any other bettas (except as above, for breeding, or in divided tanks, so they can't reach each other)

they can seem fine together for some time, and then suddenly turn on each other.

she looks like a vt female to me, got quite a scoopy anal fin. but have a read of this thread. it might help you with learning to identify them yourself

with regards to heating the small tank i have used a 50w hydor theo heater in a 2gal tank and had no problems whatsoever. they are very reliable.
or you could buy a reptile heat mat, and put it on the table under the tank. they are not thermostatted usually, but seem to keep small tanks at a nice temp (so long as you have a lid, otherwise the temp seems to drop quickly)

 

[trojannemo]

having read your other post, i have to ask, do you still have a male VT in the community tank? if so, you should not have any females in there. that would likely be why they keep dying. accepted wisdom is that female bettas can be kept together, but not with male bettas (except under strictly controlled conditions for breeding) and male bettas should not be kept with any other bettas (except as above, for breeding, or in divided tanks, so they can't reach each other)

they can seem fine together for some time, and then suddenly turn on each other.

she looks like a vt female to me, got quite a scoopy anal fin. but have a read of this thread. it might help you with learning to identify them yourself

with regards to heating the small tank i have used a 50w hydor theo heater in a 2gal tank and had no problems whatsoever. they are very reliable.
or you could buy a reptile heat mat, and put it on the table under the tank. they are not thermostatted usually, but seem to keep small tanks at a nice temp (so long as you have a lid, otherwise the temp seems to drop quickly)

thanks for the help. the male from the community tank actually died last week. and this is where i think it wasn't him killing the females. two days after he dies, the albino/red female dies...that's why i attribute it to the kribensis...like i said, i'm not adding any more bettas to my community tank, i'm just gonna do the betta tank thing and put them all there in individual compartments...