Anyone Who Has Kept Any Tetras.. With Guppies

[Syphoniera]

I wonder if the leapers are generally in tanks with few or low plants, because generally if fish are startled or nervous, they seem more likely to dive for cover, if any is available, than to jump.
Do the people with non-jumping Enders/guppies have plants, and if so are they bushy and tallish, relative to the tank height or not really?
Anybody with jumpers - tallish plants and lots of cover or very little?

I'll just add, if I may. that I have 'feeder' guppy/Endler crosses in with tetras and other fish.
Mine are persistent little pests to each other and sometimes try with other fish when first introduced to a tank but give up when there's no response - Neons, Black Neons and don't even seem to notice the wiggles and posturing.

 

[emilythestrange]

Even more confused about endlers now..
Do you think they would jump out of my new tank?

 

[Syphoniera]

I don't know, of course, but I suspect that if they're happy and secure, i.e. not being chased and with plant cover available to dive into if they do feel insecure at all about anything, that jumping out would be unlikely.
I've seen Endlers in a small, individually-own/run store in an open-topped tank, and I doubt they'd have been kept that way if they did tend to jump.
That's apart from having heard from a number of Endler keepers, as well as Piltdownpaul just now, that they've never had a problem with death-diving Endlers despite the common claims.
I'd probably risk it, but, as stated, I'd make sure to have plants, with at least some tall ones relative to the tank size.

Edit - thought I'd better add, if still looking at tetras, maybe don't get Golds.
They're lovely fish, and probably many are very nice-natured, but at least one of mine is a psychofish and attacked the others, giving what proved to be a fatal wound to one of my black neons.
And I'm still trying to figure out what to do with the wretched things, which are STILL living in an plastic storage tub, as I can't set up any more tanks until a shuffle is FINALLY completed to make room.

 

[emilythestrange]

I don't know, of course, but I suspect that if they're happy and secure, i.e. not being chased and with plant cover available to dive into if they do feel insecure at all about anything, that jumping out would be unlikely.
I've seen Endlers in a small, individually-own/run store in an open-topped tank, and I doubt they'd have been kept that way if they did tend to jump.
That's apart from having heard from a number of Endler keepers, as well as Piltdownpaul just now, that they've never had a problem with death-diving Endlers despite the common claims.
I'd probably risk it, but, as stated, I'd make sure to have plants, with at least some tall ones relative to the tank size.

Edit - thought I'd better add, if still looking at tetras, maybe don't get Golds.
They're lovely fish, and probably many are very nice-natured, but at least one of mine is a psychofish and attacked the others, giving what proved to be a fatal wound to one of my black neons.
And I'm still trying to figure out what to do with the wretched things, which are STILL living in an plastic storage tub, as I can't set up any more tanks until a shuffle is FINALLY completed to make room.

Ouch.
better make a list of Ok tetras!
One of my black neons was afin nipper/ whereas a similuar sized one was fine.. strange!

 

[Corleone]

I wonder if the leapers are generally in tanks with few or low plants, because generally if fish are startled or nervous, they seem more likely to dive for cover, if any is available, than to jump.
Do the people with non-jumping Enders/guppies have plants, and if so are they bushy and tallish, relative to the tank height or not really?
Anybody with jumpers - tallish plants and lots of cover or very little?

Depends on the fish, too. Some instinctively dive for cover, others instinctively jump. Depends on a lot of factors in their habitat and natural predators. Lots of cover near the surface helps. Generally, happy and calm fish don't jump, but it's too easy to change that, even if the tank is fine - accidentally knocking over a stack of books near the tank, jostling the stand during a water change, or just moving quickly. I had a shoal of hatchetfish scatter through the room because I bumped a filter and it started sucking air during a water change. My cat found most of them before I did.

 

[emilythestrange]

I wonder if the leapers are generally in tanks with few or low plants, because generally if fish are startled or nervous, they seem more likely to dive for cover, if any is available, than to jump.
Do the people with non-jumping Enders/guppies have plants, and if so are they bushy and tallish, relative to the tank height or not really?
Anybody with jumpers - tallish plants and lots of cover or very little?

Depends on the fish, too. Some instinctively dive for cover, others instinctively jump. Depends on a lot of factors in their habitat and natural predators. Lots of cover near the surface helps. Generally, happy and calm fish don't jump, but it's too easy to change that, even if the tank is fine - accidentally knocking over a stack of books near the tank, jostling the stand during a water change, or just moving quickly. I had a shoal of hatchetfish scatter through the room because I bumped a filter and it started sucking air during a water change. My cat found most of them before I did.

Oh god, gla di havent got a cat then! better keep my dog out of the way.
The tank is in my room though, so hopefully no nasty suprises/ jerky movements

 

[Syphoniera]

Oh, Corleone, so sorry to hear about your hatchetfish.
I think they are absolutely notorious as jumpers, though, and do it routinely, almost like lemmingfish...
I've never had any myself, although I understand they are top-level swimmers and would use jumping perhaps to evade predators?
Excellent points made, as usual, though from what I've heard from people keeping Endlers, there doesn't usually seem to be a problem.
But I guess fish do what they figger they gotta do regardless of what people expect.
And you can't really count on anything except, perhaps, your fingers.
(Ok, I'm bad at maths. No piranha for me.)

emilythestrange, hope whatever you do works out well, and no dogs, cats or clowns ever eat your fish.