Anyone here order Betta's from Attison Betta?

[NinjaSmurf]

So are fish being killed or not? Cause it seems stupid and mean to let them die.

 

[SRC]

to slander his name like that shows poor judgement, know the facts before you open your mouth

Pardon me..but I spent 3 hours reading over his entire site. Although most of the pages were very educational and intriging, when I cam to the fighters page and read those descriptions..exactly what judgment is one to come to when proposed with something like that?

If *everyone* knows they don't really do that...then why would someone feel the need to continue to advertise them in such a manner, as to lead people who are new to the betta community to believe that this is what they are doing with them?

When I surf a pit bull site and see things of this nature..I immediantly am lead to the assumption that they fight their dogs. It's the internet...if you can't believe what a breeder/seller is telling you in advertised form about their product on their website..then I don't know how well I would trust that breeder, when I found out it was *all hype* and only for show.

On the internet all you have to go on is what you read and what others tell you. What I'm seeing here, they conflict with each other. He says they fight to the death..you say they do not. How do you know what to believe and what not to believe..and at what point does this merge and/or split? When you order a fish from this person..does he send an e-mail saying.."Now look, we really don't fight these fish to the death..and you shouldn't either. Those ad's we post, those are just for publicity of the fish, to sell more of them." I'd have to imagine he does not.

That's like buying a fish on Aquabid and it gets to you..but it's not the same fish pictured in the auction, but yet instead one very similar, but obviously different. But the ad said it would be that fish, and that it would have certain features. Would you not feel mislead in the seller? If you expected one thing yet were sent another? even if this guy really doesn't fight these fish as advertised...there will be people who come across those ads and will take them to heart..and buy these fish (I'm sure there is no screening process) and really fight them that way. And here we are telling wal-mart it's cruel to keep fish in cups...when there coudl be peopel out there letting fish bite each others eyes and gills out for sport.

Sorry, but when things like this present a flag to me..I will say something..if for nothing more then to get some feedback and/or perspective on the matter.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to be aggressive in my statements toward anyone here..or you (although this is directed towards you..hence the quote), but this is something I feel that needs to be addressed...is this how breeders advertise their fish? They *hype* them up to more then they really are..to sell more of them?

 

[Sorrell]

I'd also like to add that without people such as this who have lived and died bettas for centuries, we wouldn't have our fish today, all the way down to the VTs. We should be thanking these people not insulting them.

Once again I will say, we are not talking about your VTs, HMs, deltas, CTs, DTs, even you average plakat, these fish are a whole new world

 

[Wisperian]

Im with Sorrell and bkk on this one. I mean, other than the fish on the "fighters" page, do you see any other things that say where the fish bite other fish and stuff? no. why? well, my theory is that THOSE specific fish were bred for fighting and tehy live for it. Also, you could have expressed what you said in a not so evil and mean and insulting way. You were talking as if you wanted to kill this guy! You could've said it like this: I really don't think that this person should breed bettas and sell them for fighting! Isnt this illegal? What do you guys think about it? that way, it just doesnt seem as harsh..


btw, I think his fish are very pretty and you should buy from him if u want. I really like his opaques and yellows are very pretty

 

[bkk_group]

this is one of the problems that affects the fighter community and gives it a black eye. it's been discussed before on fighter forums and the general consensus is that there are sites out there doing a disservice to the hobby by advertising "bloodsport" and the sooner this type of advertising is done away with the better. (i can't comment on why attison advertises them this way, probably because he acts as a reseller he gets the info from the original seller, still, he should know better) personally, i hate the fact that the fish are sometimes discribed this way because of all the negative connotations that come with describing them that way. for a fair analysis of fighter culture i recommend precha of plakatthai.com, not only because i edited and proofread his excellent essay "knowing your fighter" but because one of the things he teaches is that fighters should only be fought ONCE. he stresses respecting the fish above all else. he is of the traditional old school though, it's a shame more of the new school pups don't pay more attention to what he has to say.

 

[NinjaSmurf]

bkk, um, didn't see your post above mine, so sorry if I peed you off or anything... but I also didn't understand the whole fight to the death posts under the fish stock listing, it really does sound as if thats what is being done. But if it's not... really is misleading.

 

[bkk_group]

can i just add one more thing? some of you may wonder why a handler might buy 60 of a certain spawn. it's not because they are disposable but rather that of the spawn of 60, only 5 or 6 will be worthy of putting in a ring and betting...say $1000 on. those 60 are matched up and the best will be developed futher and conditioned. the rest will be given away to friends or kept for breeding programs. the hardcore handler knows what he is doing and won't gamble needlessly. you know, it's funny, i support the fighting community through my forum and will argue on their behalf on forums such as this, yet, i have never actually taken part in a match other that let a few siblings spar for a bit every now and then by myself. i am very much interested in the traditional value of the fighting fish society and believe there is much, we the ornamental betta breeder can learn from them. everyone who breeds bettas will know that the occasional skirmish happens all the time in the growout tank, we certainly don't separate them then because oftentimes, they still have a bit of growing to do before they can be jarred. there is something truly fascinating about watching two fish circle each other, only them do you see the real power and majesty of the fish.

 

[ral]

I have seen to betta's face of when a Plakat fell into the wrong container. The owner than tried to pull one out with a scoop. Both fish were going around the scope and trying to get position. It was pretty amazing to watch a Plakat in action. Luckily the owner manage to corral one of the fish before anything else happened.

Is it wrong for fish to fight? I don't really know. I would not have my fish fight anything. But that is just me. I really don't know what the fish want.



Me I am just looking for a place where I can order an amazing fish. A thoroughred fighter would be really nice to have,

 

[cometcattle]

I would definatly order from him. His bettas are incredible.


In fact, I just bookmarked his site.

 

[ral]

Thanks all.

 

[wuvmybetta]

Me I am just looking for a place where I can order an amazing fish. A thoroughred fighter would be really nice to have,

If you're just looking for a 'pet' betta, than I would advice you not purchase one of these. What a miserable existence it would have just living in a container until it dies from an illness or old age....*yawn*

 

[nashnutny]

It's Thailand... the culture is completely different from ours. They consider cock fighting and probably any type of animal fighting legal. It would not surprise me if they were also used for food. At any rate, he states on his site in several spots that he does not fight the fish.

 

[ral]

I got Kobie and Ryujin, medium sized Plakats (sold here as jumbo) Plakats instead. Well they are not fighters, but they are big Plakats

Maybe I should forget about the pet fighter, it would cost a bundle, but just look at this one:

 

[yeeviabetta]

It just cultural things. Different culture have different thought. It is very common for betta or cock fighting in Thailand, in Malaysia or in Southeast asia. People don't have nothing to do in the villages so in free time, they do this type as a gambling to make extra money. They are not as fortune as we are in USA.
I found that he is a serious betta breeder and you can order his betta without concern. What are you getting? LOL