Anyone Had A Run-In With Fish TB?

[Styx]

Just curious how common it is.

 

[wuvmybetta]

Pretty common lately,especially amongst bettas. I was pretty certain that it was introduced into my fishroom via a MG plakat I bought that came from overseas . Thankfully it didn't spread far since the fish was towards the end of the row at that time. But it did spread to the stopping point Silver only put it into a suspended animation.
I do know that it is hereditary, and the disease can spread to the fry of a dormantly (is that a word?) diseased fish. It will affect the females mostly because it hibernates in the eggs. So basically, it can come out of nowhere.

 

[infant340]

umm sorry for my stupididty but...TB?

 

[Styx]

Whoa. Pretty scary.

 

[Torrean]

i believe it is fish tuberculosis. I have heard it is transmittable to humans. Not sure though

 

[Elise]

I had a terrible case of fish TB (tuberculosis). Nothing I tried really worked. I just had to let it run it's course. It took about about 6 of my fish But luckily, it stopped, randomly. And the wierdest thing is that one of my fish never got sick. He was in the quarentine tasnk with all those that died, but he lived. And he never spread it to my other fish.

 

[cation]

Elise, it's interesting you should mention that. I've been doing some thinking on this very subject as of late, and I'm starting to wonder if an immunity can be built up to TB, resulting a fishroom mess for months, then a decline in symtoms, followed by the recurrance of a healthy tank containing fish with some level of immunity.


I'm going to have to do a bit of reading to see if it's even a feasible theory, but I thought I'd share my prelim thinking with y'all....

 

[cation]

Elise, it's interesting you should mention that. I've been doing some thinking on this very subject as of late, and I'm starting to wonder if an immunity can be built up to TB, resulting a fishroom mess for months, then a decline in symtoms, followed by the recurrance of a healthy tank containing fish with some level of immunity.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I was interested in what you guys thought...

 

[wuvmybetta]

I haven't had enough experience nor terror filled months (touch wood) in the fishroom so I can't comment . But I can't imagine what it must be like to watch all of your stock become ill like that.

As with many diseases an immunity can more than likely build up. But what would cause it to be stronger in some and not in others? Maybe I'm missing your point...

Did you read the article in Flare this month by Andrea Edwards? (I believe, will check and edit if that's not her name)

 

[cation]

I haven't had enough experience nor terror filled months (touch wood) in the fishroom so I can't comment . But I can't imagine what it must be like to watch all of your stock become ill like that.

As with many diseases an immunity can more than likely build up. But what would cause it to be stronger in some and not in others? Maybe I'm missing your point...

Did you read the article in Flare this month by Andrea Edwards? (I believe, will check and edit if that's not her name)

Yep, I read it. It's what started me thinking on the whole thing.

I think my point is moot. I forgot TB is a Mycobacterium. Okay, I'm going to do a bit of research and try to come up with more info.

 

[MAM]

For those of us not familiar with fish TB, what are the signs and symptoms?

 

[cation]

From FLARE!:

"Acute symptoms of mycobacteriosis [fish TB] include loss of appetite, anorexia, folded [clamped] fins, pop-eye, finrot, and skin lesions. Internally, lumps or granulomata form in various organs, causing the organ(s) to malfunction, and the fish dies with dropsy-like symptoms."


A fish with TB will not typically have all the symptoms, but could have any. And it's clear from the symtom list that fish TB mimics many other diseases as well.

 

[cation]

It will affect the females mostly because it hibernates in the eggs.

This part of the article didn't make sense. So, the female can be a carrier (less likely to have symptoms if the disease is truly dormant in the eggs). If this is the case, each egg could become a fish with TB - males and females. It has an extra transmission outlet with females, but I don't understand why Andrea came to the conclusion it's more common in females...

 

[yeeviabetta]

Wou. Errr... I have a fancy cambodian HM female from thailand for 4 months that has bump too in her body like tumor. She just pass away two days ago and it does have the symptoms. I soak her in heavy indian almond solution and it didn't help. I can see her tumor growth bigger and bigger. Luckily I didn't breed her with because I know something is so wrong of her.

 

[wuvmybetta]

It will affect the females mostly because it hibernates in the eggs.

This part of the article didn't make sense. So, the female can be a carrier (less likely to have symptoms if the disease is truly dormant in the eggs).

That made perfect sense to me, when I read it, it was like a lightbulb clicked on.

If this is the case, each egg could become a fish with TB - males and females.

Not necessarily. It could only be half the eggs or so that even carry it. Or perhaps if all the fish carry it, it only surfaces itself in the eggs of the females and while the boys may indeed have it lying quietly,the girls may feel the worst effect since it's in their belly inhabiting eggs..
It reminds me of a "betta AIDS" where it affects some more drastically than others.

It has an extra transmission outlet with females, but I don't understand why Andrea came to the conclusion it's more common in females...

I believe the extra transmission outlet IS why she came to the conclusion that it's more common in females. Perhaps "common" isn't the word, maybe it just runs more rampant in them.