Angel Fish Help

[dave1987]

cool will do that any other tips?

 

[Ben L]

Ok well i know people will probably slaughter me for this reply but it works for me and ive done it a hundred times so ill have to put up with it. i tend to avoid water changes and vaccuming the gravel in tanks that i breed cichlids in. the reason for this is that i dont like to disturb the parents. however before people shout at me this doesnt mean that i agree with people letting their water quality get poor. i normally put in to a breeding tank a filter that has gone anerobic and i also use a 2" thick sand and gravel mix substrate that goes anerobic too. with not cleaning your gravel the micro fauna will soon build up especially if there is fillamentous algae for it to hide in and this will provide good food for your fry. people may not agree with this method so there will be other ideas that you might want to try but i have a pair of kribs in a 2ft tank that has been set up for 3 years that bring up a brood of around 70 fry every 6 weeks and and i have never added any fry food just flake 2x a day like i would always, this tank hasnt had a water change in 2 months and all parameters are fine. however as your tank is new this wont work yet so i suggest you use a nitrate reducing product such as the one made by tetra, i havent ever used it but ive heard good things. hope this helps.

 

[Ben L]

any way gotta go so good luck with your angels

 

[dave1987]

great advice sounds good when i use th esponge filter will i need a seperate air line with a air stone on it to put on oxygen in the water or will the sponge filter do this??

 

[dave1987]

bump

 

[afishdude]

arnt angles too small to take powderd flake right away?

its best to feed them live brine shrimp.

 

[dave1987]

no ther ok wit it same as any other tropical fish aslong as it is crushed really fine

 

[Tolak]

no ther ok wit it same as any other tropical fish aslong as it is crushed really fine

Angel fry need live micro food for at least the first week or two if you want a decent survival rate. Just like any newborn animal, including humans, healthy food is critical from the beginning.

With breeding angels you have to sort of reverse engineer it. First find out where you can sell or give away 200+ small angels. Then figure out if you have the money, space and time to run another 100 gallons or more of tanks. Here's a good site to get you started; http/webrbiz.com/angelfish/amh.html

 

[I Love my fishies]

it depends what anglefish you are talking about but assuming its a scalare or a closely related hybrid then you shouldnt have too many problems. firstly the tank preferably wants to be deep with stiff upright plants (ive also used slate and bamboo) the eggs will be deposited on these. i use two sponge filters in my tanks as they wont suck up the fry and are a good bio filter. temp 27-29 degrees increased from 24-25 degrees, 4-10 gh ph 6.5 would be about ideal. you will find it hard to buy an pair so buy six small ones and grow them on till two pair off. they normally show good cichlid parental care but some are rouges and eat their fry watch and if it happens three or more times remove the eggs and hatch them yourself. hope this helps.

Angels love Amazon Swords

 

[Tolak]

it depends what anglefish you are talking about but assuming its a scalare or a closely related hybrid then you shouldnt have too many problems. firstly the tank preferably wants to be deep with stiff upright plants (ive also used slate and bamboo) the eggs will be deposited on these. i use two sponge filters in my tanks as they wont suck up the fry and are a good bio filter. temp 27-29 degrees increased from 24-25 degrees, 4-10 gh ph 6.5 would be about ideal. you will find it hard to buy an pair so buy six small ones and grow them on till two pair off. they normally show good cichlid parental care but some are rouges and eat their fry watch and if it happens three or more times remove the eggs and hatch them yourself. hope this helps.

What would be a closely related hybrid? A consistent hardness & pH is more important than trying to get what is considered the perfect hardness & pH, unless you are dealing with wild caught fish.

 

[I Love my fishies]

it depends what anglefish you are talking about but assuming its a scalare or a closely related hybrid then you shouldnt have too many problems. firstly the tank preferably wants to be deep with stiff upright plants (ive also used slate and bamboo) the eggs will be deposited on these. i use two sponge filters in my tanks as they wont suck up the fry and are a good bio filter. temp 27-29 degrees increased from 24-25 degrees, 4-10 gh ph 6.5 would be about ideal. you will find it hard to buy an pair so buy six small ones and grow them on till two pair off. they normally show good cichlid parental care but some are rouges and eat their fry watch and if it happens three or more times remove the eggs and hatch them yourself. hope this helps.

What would be a closely related hybrid? A consistent hardness & pH is more important than trying to get what is considered the perfect hardness & pH, unless you are dealing with wild caught fish.

I have been doing a little bit of reading on Angels as I will be getting some soon.

I read that in the wild Angel fish live in a PH level of 6 so is it best to breed your Angels with a PH level of 6?

well a breeder tested this theory and breed angels at a PH of 6 and the fry were weak and most did not survive, he then breed Angels at a PH of 7 and the fry were strong and healthy in light of this he researched Angels natural habitat some more and found that Angels may generally live in PH levels of 6 but when spawning time comes the PH level is actually at 7.

so according to that article it is best to keep you PH level at 7 if you are wanting to breed..

 

[Tolak]

Today's angels are for the most part far removed from their wild roots, and acclimate and breed fine in harder water with a higher pH. In larger breeding operations many folks are outcrossing to wilds to strengthen the lines of angels. I breed angels by the hundreds in harder water with a pH of around 7.7.

Anyone seriously breeding angels changes water and plenty of it. They also use bare bottom tanks, and feed fresh hatched bbs. I have no problem with my pairs spawning after a water change, actually if I do a few large water changes on a tank in one week that pair is almost guaranteed to spawn. I will do this after I rest a breeding pair, which consists of dropping the tank temperature, feeding lightly, and leaving longer periods between water changes.

You can try going two months between water changes, I don't doubt that some fish have spawned in those conditions. This certainly is nothing I would recommend for any aquarium, a potential breeding setup even more so. There is a plan of sorts to getting many New World fish to breed, that tries to imitate nature. Check this out for an intersting read; http/www.aquarticles.com/articles/breedi...%20seasons.html

 

[I Love my fishies]

Today's angels are for the most part far removed from their wild roots, and acclimate and breed fine in harder water with a higher pH. In larger breeding operations many folks are outcrossing to wilds to strengthen the lines of angels. I breed angels by the hundreds in harder water with a pH of around 7.7.

Anyone seriously breeding angels changes water and plenty of it. They also use bare bottom tanks, and feed fresh hatched bbs. I have no problem with my pairs spawning after a water change, actually if I do a few large water changes on a tank in one week that pair is almost guaranteed to spawn. I will do this after I rest a breeding pair, which consists of dropping the tank temperature, feeding lightly, and leaving longer periods between water changes.

You can try going two months between water changes, I don't doubt that some fish have spawned in those conditions. This certainly is nothing I would recommend for any aquarium, a potential breeding setup even more so. There is a plan of sorts to getting many New World fish to breed, that tries to imitate nature. Check this out for an intersting read; http/www.aquarticles.com/articles/breedi...%20seasons.html

Hi Tolak So if i set up my tank with fish who love low ph levels i.e bolivion & blue Rams, rummy nose tetra, angels etc I am not going to have much luck of my angels breeding because I need a low ph level... is this correct?

 

[Tolak]

No, many, if not most times domestic angels will breed fine in water with a higher pH. I talk to plenty of local angel breeders, we help each other out if needed, sort of a friendly competition. Being on the same large water supply, being in a big city, means that many of the same breeding techniques work out equally well for all of us.

Our pH is around 7.7, it will fluctuate from 7.6 to 7.8, usually seasonally. Our water sit right around 10dgH, with a TDS of around 200. This is pretty hard water, and not the pH found where wild angels live. Everyone breeds angels with minimal problems.

With harder water & higher pH values it seems you have to get a little more creative with anti-fungals & anti-bacterials in the hatching container when you pull a spawn. When eggs turn white the first day it is a fertility issue, after that when they turn white it is usually bacteria related. Many folks assume it's a fungal problem, which is for the most part secondary to the bacterial issue. This is because you can easily see the fungus, you can't see the bacteria that killed the eggs 24 hours previous.

 

[I Love my fishies]

ok great thanks Tolak