Angel Fish Breeding

[zvrle]

I breed other fish, cory, kribensis, betta... but only problem is with angels. So good that you post pictures of your spown. I dont know do you understand what i write and what my problem is. I have all food, know when and how to give but they dont live enough to start to eat. All die and go white. 50% dont hatch, i was thinking that is because of my pair, but now had another spown with diferent couple and its all the same.
Day by day how it goes:
Day 1 spowning;
Day 3 hatching;
Day 3 start to die;
Day4 all die.
And normal is :
Day 1 spowning;
Day 3 hatching;
Day 4 live and move tails like on your pictures;
Day 5 start to swim and start to eat.,
Hope you see now better what is my problem. I dont get to day 5 to start to give them food.

 

[snowflake311]

The eggs going white are ones that did not get fertilized. How old are the fish?

What kind of angles are they? Have you been leaving the eggs and fry with the parents?


What's your water like ph ,temp, ammonia? What's the tank set up like?

 

[zvrle]

They are, lets say, around 1,5 - 2 years old. I start to breed them 5 months ago. Bredding tank is bare botom, sponge filter and heater.
Temperature is 28C and PH 8. I didnt test amonia. And not to forget size is 64L.
I leave them with parents couple of times but same problem again. before they start to swinm and eat they all die and parents eat them.
And they are silver angel fish. No i have one more pair lets say little younger then they and they are marble and half black angel fish, I leave eggs with them now, spown 2 days ago and for now look good but only , lets say, 20 fry will hatch.

 

[snowflake311]

A ph of 8 is a bit high. angels are hardy it should not be a big problem. As soon as you start to see fry die off I would check ammonia and nitrites. Fry are very sensitive to this.

20 fry is good not great but good . Makes it easy to sell them off and keep water quality better I still have lots of bettas left. There is a balance you need to learn when it comes to feeding fry. Too much you have bad water quality too little and fry starve. With my betta fry I did 10% wc every day after the last feeding getting all the left over food I could. I was feeding 2 times a day and only bbs.

I know in the past feeding fry was the reason I lost so many. I would feed too much or too little. Took a few try's to get it right. Live food makes all the differance in the world. Live Bbs is a must have for raising fry of any type fish.

 

[zvrle]

When i was having betta fry i was feeding them 4-5 times on a day, bbs and always after feeding clean food that they didnt eat. It take to much space to breed them so i stop, they are great but for now i still dont have all i need to breed them.
When you said ammonia now it make some sense. Never thin kabout it, was to busy with PH, GH and KH so i forget about ammonia.
Ca you tell me do you start to use filter from start of removing eggs or you wait untill they hatch and them add it ??

 

[snowflake311]

When i was having betta fry i was feeding them 4-5 times on a day, bbs and always after feeding clean food that they didnt eat. It take to much space to breed them so i stop, they are great but for now i still dont have all i need to breed them.
When you said ammonia now it make some sense. Never thin kabout it, was to busy with PH, GH and KH so i forget about ammonia.
Ca you tell me do you start to use filter from start of removing eggs or you wait untill they hatch and them add it ??

 
I seed my sponge filter in a Mature HEALTHY tank for 2 weeks before I spawn my fish. This way I know my filter has the needed bacteria. If you have  fish in the tank the filter should be on.  If the parents are in the tank with the eggs you much keep the filter on.
 
Good angel fish parents left to raise fry and a mature sponge filter running will help you the most. 

 

[zvrle]

I never put filter in aquarium where i move eggs. And i add new water not cycled so maybe that is prob. What would be ideal parametars for angel fish ?? Do you know what is best way to low down PH in breeding aquarium where are parents because i read that change of PH can kill fish ??

 

[snowflake311]

I think ammonia is the problem Angels are hardy and not picky the ph is not a big deal. You need a Cycled sponge filter ready to go when you have fry on the way. 
 
You could mix RO water with your tap water to lower the ph but that is a pain and I don't think angles need it. Peat moss pellets will lower the ph I have tested. it will also turn your water brown.
 
something like this in a bag will lower the ph 
http/www.amazon.com/Fluval-Peat-Granules-Gram-Ounce/dp/B00025642Q#
 
 
When you start playing with ph everything gets more stressful.  I think you just need to make sure your sponge filter is fully seeded with good bacteria.  just putting a clean new sponge filter in the fry tank will not help. 
 
It is best to set up a breeding tank with mature Filter.  Parents spawn, Leave both in or just one whatever works, Then leave the fry with parent and do not forget to start feeding them after day 3 of hatching. They might be too small for BBS so Vinegar eels work great during this time and they are SO easy to keep.  Once the fry are 5 days old start feeding BBS. Not too much.  Remember BBS can live in fresh water for about a day. 

 

[zvrle]

Snowflake311 thanks SO much !!!  Now i see some big problems i have but never think about them. I was playing with my PH but now i see its just to big problem. Second pair laid eggs 3 days eggs and they hatc maybe 20-25 % and they keep them but first pair eat them all. I didnt measured any parametars and these is what happen with both pairs.
I buy al things, RO device, some acid to low down my PH, read a lot of things and now i didnt know what more to do, did it all what write there but my all fry died and you are the only one who said about amonian and give some one more advice because i didnt use any filter and didnt think it is  necessary for 1-3 days after they hatch. Now i only need to wait 14 dsays so they again lay theris eggs again and move them to another aquarium bu tnow to aquarium with cycled aquarium to see what will happen.

 

[snowflake311]

yeah playing with PH is a pain in the butt and most of the time not the problem unless you are trying to breed Wild Discus. 
 
I think it would be best to have a spawning tank set up for the parents with a mature sponge filter going. Let the parents spawn in the tank you want to raise the fry in. Moving eggs and fry can cause damage. Leave the mom or dad who ever is a good parent to tend to the eggs. They will keep the eggs clean and eat the bad ones so Fungus is not a problem. I really think fish raise fish better then any human can. So if your pair are good parents leave them in the spawning tank with the fry for as long as you can. 
 
Good luck. Glad I can help.