Ammonia

[Becks1985]

I have
2 bolivian rams
7 dwarf neon rainbow
10 rummynose
6 sterbai corys
4 otto cats
3 platies
2 guppies

The rams are soon to replaced by 2 apistogramma cacatoides an 2 peacock gudgeons
Want to get the water sorted first are whatever is stressing my fish...

 

[eaglesaquarium]

And the only fish showing signs of distress is the new (and larger) angel?
 
 
How much "cover" is there in the tank?  Sometimes when adding new fish, its a good idea to rearrange the decor to break up any territories that may have been claimed.  It also helps to break up the sight lines as well.

 

[Becks1985]

Yeah he's the only one at the min...
Der is plenty of hiding spots along the back of the tank the front is open for swimming space...

 

[cpwebsite]

The bacteria colony may have been hurt if you took out osme of the media or something similar and as a result killed some of the bacteria. Or if you put in some tap water without treating it, there may have been something in the tap water that killed the bacteria. Either way the bacteria problem will probably solve itself.
 
You have a nice well stocked tank though, however I would be careful about the angel fish as the grow up. Sometimes it's harder to move the fish than you think, unless you already have a tank planned out for them, where your sure they can be moved to.
 
Best of luck with your aquarium!

 

[DyArianna]

You say you are adding the dechlorinator and mention you did it beginning during and after....yet you say you added a quarter of it. Using quarters would require 4 steps. Possibility of under dechlorinating?

 

[eaglesaquarium]

Acting weird right after being added to the tank....  How did you acclimate?  How long did you observe the fish (and the other tanks) at the LFS before you purchased?  Did you specifically choose this fish, or was it chosen for you?  Did you observe its behavior in the tank before it was netted at the store?

 

[Becks1985]

I have someone that will take the others of me at whatever stage I want... If I can get away with four angels living happy together I will keep otherwise ill try to just get a pair...

Also I chose my own fish he was in a tank with 5 other angels of the same size 3 of them stayed towards the back an the other including the one I picked was swimming around actively...
When introducing a new fish I just put the bag into the aquarium an leave for bout 15 mins until the temperature is bout the same then I use a small little shot glass thing to add some aquarium water I do this every 15 mins for an hour are so...

 

[TwoTankAmin]

The Ammo-lock, etc does work, BUT it will starve your bacteria colony and mask the real problem.

 Please do some more research as this is not the case:
 
"Works instantly, in both fresh and saltwater, to detoxify ammonia and remove chlorine and chloramines. Locks up ammonia in a non-toxic form until it can be broken down by the tank's natural biological filter. Eliminates fish stress and promotes healthy gill function."
from http/www.apifishcare.com/product.php?p=details&id=654
 
"Prime® converts ammonia into a safe, non-toxic form that is readily removed by the tank’s biofilter. Prime® may be used during tank cycling to alleviate ammonia/nitrite toxicity. Prime® detoxifies nitrite and nitrate, allowing the biofilter to more efficiently remove them"
from http/www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Prime.html
 

• Detoxifies chlorine including the chlorine in chloramine
• Detoxifies all of the kinds of toxic nitrogen compounds in the water
• Detoxifies all forms of ammonia/ammonium/nitrites/nitrates from the water, including ammonia in chloramine.
• Detoxifies toxic pheromones
• Does not affect the water's pH (acidity/basicity)
• Does not interfere with the beneficial nitrifying bacteria or their food sources
• Made in U.S.A.

From http/www.kordon.com/kordon/products/water-conditioner/amquel-plus#compatabilities!

 

[eaglesaquarium]

The Ammo-lock, etc does work, BUT it will starve your bacteria colony and mask the real problem.

 Please do some more research as this is not the case:
 
"Works instantly, in both fresh and saltwater, to detoxify ammonia and remove chlorine and chloramines. Locks up ammonia in a non-toxic form until it can be broken down by the tank's natural biological filter. Eliminates fish stress and promotes healthy gill function."
from http/www.apifishcare.com/product.php?p=details&id=654
 
"Prime® converts ammonia into a safe, non-toxic form that is readily removed by the tank’s biofilter. Prime® may be used during tank cycling to alleviate ammonia/nitrite toxicity. Prime® detoxifies nitrite and nitrate, allowing the biofilter to more efficiently remove them"
from http/www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Prime.html
 

• Detoxifies chlorine including the chlorine in chloramine
• Detoxifies all of the kinds of toxic nitrogen compounds in the water
• Detoxifies all forms of ammonia/ammonium/nitrites/nitrates from the water, including ammonia in chloramine.
• Detoxifies toxic pheromones
• Does not affect the water's pH (acidity/basicity)
• Does not interfere with the beneficial nitrifying bacteria or their food sources
• Made in U.S.A.

From http/www.kordon.com/kordon/products/water-conditioner/amquel-plus#compatabilities!

 
 
You are correct, I was mistaken in using the "Ammo-Lock" name, rather than what I was thinking of which was "Ammo-chips" and "zeolite".  No where was I referencing Prime.

 

[Becks1985]

I'm confused now lol.. It's easily done..
So you saying maybe I should use ammo lock are something like that...

 

[eaglesaquarium]

Well, I don't think that ammonia is your issue...  What exactly are the levels? 

 

[TwoTankAmin]

I assumed the etc referred to other products that detox ammonia
 
You can use an ammonia detox- but it will likely render your test kit useless while using it. And I do not think the problem was caused by ammonia. I think its probably a bad reading.
 
Give the angel some time to adapt to its new home. If it eats and poops, give it a few days and see if it doesn't settle in before worrying.

 

[Becks1985]

My levels are
Ph 7.4
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 20ppm

Well he did eat a few flakes yesterday for the first time I noticed.. The day before I put a bit of bloodworm he wasn't interested at all...

So most people think all that ammo stuff isn't going to fix my tank in the long run

 

[Joshwainwright]

So most people think all that ammo stuff isn't going to fix my tank in the long run

Nope, the best thing to remove ammonia is the bacteria in your filter. If this isn't dealing with it, you just need to do large water changes until it can

 

[kad191]

I had issues with my new angelfish recently. I added 3 juveniles, they were ok for a day or so then 2 paired off and the third just hung around at the top corner of the tank, breathing heavy and seemed stressed. If he went anywhere else in the tank he'd be chased by the other two. I returned him to the lfs a week later.