All Compatable?

[fishy55599]

 

[MrLiam]

Im not sure about the starfish as ive heard that they will starve in the smaller tanks and die but its a good and interesting way of showing your stocking I may have to try that when I think about stocking.

 

[fishy55599]

i heard that too, but it will be about 6-8 month before it is added, may even try hand feed it if it will.
lol thanks, kinda got borded. but then you get to see the colours aswell.

 

[fishy55599]

forgot these-

 

[lewiss]

Looks fine mate! Just bare in mind that sexy shrimp can be eaten by some fish, just encase you change your mind on fish stocking but with that stock you'll be fine

Exciting times.

I just got back from a LFS visit - looking at bigger tanks, and have to wait till i find a new flat. Its bad that literally my main priority is - 'can it fit a 5 footer!!' lol

Ps. are they emerald crabs in the middle?? Try and get a male and female if so. You tell by looking at their underneath. Males have horizontal lines underneath, and female's have horizontal lines and verticle (like the Eiffel Tower!) They spawn then and provide tasty food for the fishes!! Plus i have a baby one now too!

 

[MrLiam]

Fishy5559959595

Do you mind if I use your stocking layout to ask about them

 

[lewiss]

PPS. regarding the star. If your going for an orange they are the only ones i have kept successfully so that may say something (but it might be coincidence.) My parents tank have had one for a year and i have had one for 6months(ish) - HOWEVER they are concidered 'expert' only as no one knows much about their feeding habbits. Both stars that we have had spend quite some time on our sponges, maybe eating it? who knows?

I had a beige star - died, and a blue - died. Its a shame as they don't do well in our tanks and they are living creatures. Wait till your tanks established and then add him and see what happens but learn from any deaths!

 

[Donya]

Starfish is a big no-no in a tank that size (125L right?), especially in a first tank of that size. Please don't attempt these animals until you have more experience and also a big tank to experiment with.

Other things that bother me with that list:

1. Ciliopagurus strigatus hermits + any small conches = reasonable chance of conch being eaten. Look at the shell shapes - conches are one type of shell those hermits will take in addition to cone snail shells (they won't take most Turbinid shells). I would suggest small Clibanarius species hermits instead; they're also easier to find suitable shells for. I would suspect small clibanarius will simply do a better CUC job as well, unless you're wanting the Ciliopagurus hermits as specimens more than CUC.

2. Almost certainly too many Nassarius snails unless added very slowly to a massively overfed tank. Add maybe 4 and then go from there if uneaten food is a problem. Maybe do a few Ceriths as well.

3. Two emperald crabs is risky and asking for other inverts to get eaten. They get BIG. I'm not sure I'd even put one in a tank that size. Try with zero true crabs and go from there if you see need for them. If you want one or more as specimens rather than CUC, may want to go hermit-less. If you really want two, you'll probably need to target feed them.

As with all things, better to start small on CUC and make decisions on stocking as you watch the tank evolve rather than trying to plan in advance and buy in bulk.

Not sure about the sexy shrimp or pom-pom...I wouldn't risk them with the other animals listed, but I have also not kept either. Perhaps someone else who has kept them can clarify the safety with that stocking.

 

[lewiss]

Donya, out of curiousity, what risks do emerald crabs pose against other inverts? Going on my three - they dont seem to bother anyone, except when they fight with my shrimp over food!! but thats cos my shrimps greedy!

 

[weezawoo]

Can you list the names of them so I can investigate them for my tank please
the cuc I mean I know the fishes

Love the halloweens tho and getting them in my tank

 

[Donya]

Donya, out of curiousity, what risks do emerald crabs pose against other inverts? Going on my three - they dont seem to bother anyone, except when they fight with my shrimp over food!! but thats cos my shrimps greedy!

I think they are great animals, but they have pretty powerful prying claws (immediate risk to anything encrusting) and are omnivores, so they will always be a little on the iffy side. Their shyness and largely herbivorous tendencies are what make them one of the safer true crabs, but they are still omnivorous crabs and will take it upon themselves to supplement their diet with other animals in the tank in the event they aren't getting a varied enough diet. In general they will be safe if the tank isn't overstocked with CUC, but there is still a risk that they will view other tankmates as food at some point, especially if they only have algae to eat -since they do need other foods. This risk increases in smaller tanks where food sources are more easily depleted. Most "zomg my crab attacked my [whatever animal]!" sorts of complaints I have read/heard have involved nanos.

 

[fishy55599]

Looks fine mate! Just bare in mind that sexy shrimp can be eaten by some fish, just encase you change your mind on fish stocking but with that stock you'll be fine
i did read that, but i thought they might be ok with these fish. was nly gonna do 2 but they like groups of 3+
Exciting times.

I just got back from a LFS visit - looking at bigger tanks, and have to wait till i find a new flat. Its bad that literally my main priority is - 'can it fit a 5 footer!!' lol
lol, i dont think i could do one that big, imagine the shopping list!

Ps. are they emerald crabs in the middle?? Try and get a male and female if so. You tell by looking at their underneath. Males have horizontal lines underneath, and female's have horizontal lines and verticle (like the Eiffel Tower!) They spawn then and provide tasty food for the fishes!! Plus i have a baby one now too! yes they are, ill try if i can. from what i read apparently it is ment to be hard to determine. but thanks for the info!

Fishy55599 (59595) lol

Do you mind if I use your stocking layout to ask about them no, i dont mind you using it.

PPS. regarding the star. If your going for an orange they are the only ones i have kept successfully so that may say something (but it might be coincidence.) My parents tank have had one for a year and i have had one for 6months(ish) - HOWEVER they are concidered 'expert' only as no one knows much about their feeding habbits. Both stars that we have had spend quite some time on our sponges, maybe eating it? who knows? yikes, i aint no expert!

I had a beige star - died, and a blue - died. Its a shame as they don't do well in our tanks and they are living creatures. Wait till your tanks established and then add him and see what happens but learn from any deaths! i was gonna wait atleast 6-8 months.

 

[fishy55599]

Starfish is a big no-no in a tank that size (125L right?), especially in a first tank of that size. Please don't attempt these animals until you have more experience and also a big tank to experiment with. awww....really wanted one (125l is right)

Other things that bother me with that list:

1. Ciliopagurus strigatus hermits + any small conches = reasonable chance of conch being eaten. Look at the shell shapes - conches are one type of shell those hermits will take in addition to cone snail shells (they won't take most Turbinid shells). I would suggest small Clibanarius species hermits instead; they're also easier to find suitable shells for. I would suspect small clibanarius will simply do a better CUC job as well, unless you're wanting the Ciliopagurus hermits as specimens more than CUC.
okay, will try find some of them then.

2. Almost certainly too many Nassarius snails unless added very slowly to a massively overfed tank. Add maybe 4 and then go from there if uneaten food is a problem. Maybe do a few Ceriths as well. i did think that but that is wat i was recommended

3. Two emperald crabs is risky and asking for other inverts to get eaten. They get BIG. I'm not sure I'd even put one in a tank that size. Try with zero true crabs and go from there if you see need for them. If you want one or more as specimens rather than CUC, may want to go hermit-less. If you really want two, you'll probably need to target feed them. well, i really do like them, i did read they should be fine. i got a ittle bit of bubble and hair algae anyway so i have heard they will take care of that.

As with all things, better to start small on CUC and make decisions on stocking as you watch the tank evolve rather than trying to plan in advance and buy in bulk.
yeah, i will add it slowly.

Not sure about the sexy shrimp or pom-pom...I wouldn't risk them with the other animals listed, but I have also not kept either. Perhaps someone else who has kept them can clarify the safety with that stocking.

 

[fishy55599]

Can you list the names of them so I can investigate them for my tank please
the cuc I mean I know the fishes

Love the halloweens tho and getting them in my tank

will do that

cleaner shrimp
peppermint shrimp
halloween hemit (might have to change to blue legs instead)
orange starfish (may need to re-think)
turbo snail
nassarius nail
sexy shrimp
emerald crab
pom pom crab
tuxedo urchin
conch

 

[lewiss]

Ah an interesting read Donya, i've heard they scavenge but not heard of them killing before!!

The fish you chose should be fine with the sexy shrimp but just saying encase you changed your fish stock around!

Your right sexy shrimp like to be in groups otherwise they are scared and won't come out. Sorgan keeps them I think, he might be able to give you info on his experience with them if you need it!