Albino Spawn

[furryrabbit]

oooh good look , this ones interesting

 

[OohFeeshy]

Oooooh, shiny Good luck, mini albinos will be so cute. So, about the irredescent layer (which, apparently is also the 'blue layer'), I'm presuming the albino gene would make there no blue in that layer? Blue bettas with red eyes would be heck of a lotta cool.

 

[starrynightxxi]

it doesn't seem to affect it at all, actually. Synirr's boy has blue irridesence. And i think blue bettas with red eyes would be creepy. -lol-

 

[fawnmodel]

You might try enveloping one outside edge of teh tank with colored paper or a colored towel. This way he might pickup more contrast of her against it, as opposed to the container and water color where she sort of dissappears. I do this for my spawning males who are extra spooky since it hides their reflections some.

BTW the sister is gorgeous

 

[Loko17]

Good luck, hope you get some nice healthy albinos, excited to see pics and hear about how they're doing

 

[TimCAD]

Good luck.

 

[Synirr]

Oooooh, shiny Good luck, mini albinos will be so cute. So, about the irredescent layer (which, apparently is also the 'blue layer'), I'm presuming the albino gene would make there no blue in that layer? Blue bettas with red eyes would be heck of a lotta cool.

The blue look in bettas is a combination of pigment and iridescence, so yeah, there's no "blue" because there's no pigment, just the iridescence. I *think*, though I'm not 100% certain on this, that blue is iridescence over black pigment, as melanos with iridescence appear steel blue, and I've had a copper fish (coppers are genetically steel blue with metallic factor) throw me some black marbles. Different genes change the way the iridocytes refract light and are responsible for the differences in steel blue, royal blue, and turquoise bettas

You might try enveloping one outside edge of teh tank with colored paper or a colored towel. This way he might pickup more contrast of her against it, as opposed to the container and water color where she sort of dissappears. I do this for my spawning males who are extra spooky since it hides their reflections some.

BTW the sister is gorgeous

Good idea!

I started up another spawn so I'll hopefully have a surrogate dad if the albino can't see well enough to care for the eggs, I'll post about it in a minute. It's Azazel and Siren again, I've tried those two once before and I bet they'll get their groove on this time

 

[Joby]

Good luck with Azazel and Siren, sounds like a good plan having a surrogate dad on standby

 

[lljdma06]

Wow! I didn't think you'd try breeding him this soon! Good luck. Poor boy, he's a fish after my own heart. Blind as a bat! Actually bats are not blind and have excellent vision, but the expression conveys its meaning. Imagine saying "Blind as a naked mole rat," which would actually be far more accurate. However, the desired effect is not the same, but I digress. You should definitely send me a baby! Between he not seeing me and me not seeing him, it'd be a barrel of laughs!

llj

 

[Taridan]

Okay, so this is a theoretical Genetics Question

Albino is recessive, right? So, if an Albino was bred to a normal betta all of the offspring would look like the 'normal' parent, right?

If F1 were then bred together, as they would receive all their coloration genes from the 'single' dominant parent, then when the offspring of the first breeding were bred together isn't it likely that all the F2 offspring might show recessive traits of their 'normal' grandfather? (<- isn't sure about what's recessive and whats not, but say if Butterfly was recessive, then wouldn't F2 have a higher number of Butterfly?)

Hope I made that Question as clear as possible.

 

[Synirr]

Okay, so this is a theoretical Genetics Question

Albino is recessive, right? So, if an Albino was bred to a normal betta all of the offspring would look like the 'normal' parent, right?

If F1 were then bred together, as they would receive all their coloration genes from the 'single' dominant parent, then when the offspring of the first breeding were bred together isn't it likely that all the F2 offspring might show recessive traits of their 'normal' grandfather? (<- isn't sure about what's recessive and whats not, but say if Butterfly was recessive, then wouldn't F2 have a higher number of Butterfly?)

Hope I made that Question as clear as possible.

Yep, an albino betta bred to a normal fish that doesn't carry the gene would produce approximately 25% albinos in the F2, or 50% albinos if you bred one of the offspring back to the albino parent

EDIT: But of course, that's the percentage of eggs that would get the gene, not the percentage that would survive any length of time, so the number of albinos you actually end up with is dramatically less.

 

[froggy]

Hey Synirr Can I make a resevation for 2 babys a pair?

 

[Synirr]

No, because there's no guarantee I'll even manage to get eggs out of them. It's way, way too early to be thinking about that.

 

[froggy]

Oh I Am Just Saying If They do Have Any

 

[Taridan]

Okay, so this is a theoretical Genetics Question

the F2 offspring might show recessive traits of their 'normal' grandfather?

Hope I made that Question as clear as possible.

Yep, an albino betta bred to a normal fish that doesn't carry the gene would produce approximately 25% albinos in the F2, or 50% albinos if you bred one of the offspring back to the albino parent

EDIT: But of course, that's the percentage of eggs that would get the gene, not the percentage that would survive any length of time, so the number of albinos you actually end up with is dramatically less.

I get that about the Albino, I was asking about the non-albino. So, if the grandfather of the 2nd spawn had recessive traits besides Albino, ideally hmm, 75% of the 1st spawn would have the genetics for the recessive trait, and 25% would show the recessive, with no albinos, then the second spawn if you bred two of teh 25% recessive ones then the recessive traits would be even more noticable in the 2nd batch of fry, right?