Air Bubbler Question

[Colin_T]

If the guppy had a big white patch (5-10mm) on its back it did not have white spot (Ich). It probably had a bacterial infection, however without seeing it I can't be 100%.

Fish have a thin layer of mucous over their body and fins. If fish are stressed by something in the water (ammonia, nitrite, medications, chlorine, etc) they produce more mucous and it can look like they have a cream or white film over their body and fins. If fish ever get a cream or white film over their body and fins, do a huge water change and gravel clean the substrate, and increase aeration/ surface turbulence.

Fin Rot is caused by poor water quality and can normally be cured by doing big water changes, gravel cleaning and increasing aeration. If the fins get red lines in them and continue to deteriorate after several big water changes, then you might need a medication, but water changes should be the first course of action.

Small white dots (about the size of a grain of salt) on the fish's body and fins is white spot (Ichthyopthirius) and should be treated.

White patches or spots on crayfish can be fungus or something else but pictures are required to ID issues.

Soft water (low mineral content) can have a lower pH that can cause fish to get a milky white edge to the tail and damaged or split fins (Fin Rot). This is more common on fish that naturally occur in hard water and rarely seen on fish that come from soft acid water.

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Never treat fish unless you know what the problem is.

Prophylactic treatment of fish or any animal is not recommended due to the chance of disease organisms developing a resistance to the medication.

The only thing you can do as a preventative treatment for fish is deworm them. All fish should be dewormed in a quarantine tank before being added to the main display tank. If you don't have a quarantine tank then just deworm all the aquariums in the house at the same time.

Most fish health issues are caused by poor water quality and doing a 75% water change and gravel cleaning the substrate each day for a week, will usually fix most problems. At the very least the big daily water changes will dilute disease organisms and buy you time to work out what is going on and start treatment if needed.

The following link has information on what to do if your fish get sick. It's long and boring but worth knowing. It is basically a more in depth explanation of what I have mentioned here.
http://www.fishforums.net/threads/what-to-do-if-your-fish-gets-sick.450268/

 

[pov]

Everyone here knows I am dead against common salt except as a specific treatment for an issue. So stop using it

https://www.malawicichlids.com/mw01011.htm
if you do follow this link you will have heard of sodium and chloride being in the African rift lakes , I have found that keeping fish can be a long process and you don't get to experience all of it. the thing is and why I replied and what I find so curious atm is related anyway as you said salt is a medicine for fish , well phosphates are a cause of algae bloom in aquarium and these should never ever be used as well. in rift lake salts or as you say mineral salts a common one used is mono sodium phosphate. these cichlid fish eat algae that grow on rocks and I have noticed and from listening to your advice that the sodium levels described by talling & talling 1965. kills any algae in my tank. and I am really interested in how the levels of sodium and phosphates will react in an aquarium tanks. it would be good to have a level of bio life in the tank . I think you will agree that this is important , and quite possible the fact that I have a high sodium level and not a high phosphate level together could be more of an issue rather then that I have a high sodium level..

oh and like malawaii chiclids keeping crayfish in tank can be ok when they grow up together. it,s a danger when the fish are not aware of the crayfish .. so don't put new fish into a tank with a large crayfish!!!

 

[Byron]

https://www.malawicichlids.com/mw01011.htm
if you do follow this link you will have heard of sodium and chloride being in the African rift lakes , I have found that keeping fish can be a long process and you don't get to experience all of it. the thing is and why I replied and what I find so curious atm is related anyway as you said salt is a medicine for fish , well phosphates are a cause of algae bloom in aquarium and these should never ever be used as well. in rift lake salts or as you say mineral salts a common one used is mono sodium phosphate. these cichlid fish eat algae that grow on rocks and I have noticed and from listening to your advice that the sodium levels described by talling & talling 1965. kills any algae in my tank. and I am really interested in how the levels of sodium and phosphates will react in an aquarium tanks. it would be good to have a level of bio life in the tank . I think you will agree that this is important , and quite possible the fact that I have a high sodium level and not a high phosphate level together could be more of an issue rather then that I have a high sodium level..

oh and like malawaii chiclids keeping crayfish in tank can be ok when they grow up together. it,s a danger when the fish are not aware of the crayfish .. so don't put new fish into a tank with a large crayfish!!!

There is nothing in this that alters my previous post. Common salt harms freshwater fish, you can read how here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/SaltArtHosking.htm

There are several salt articles in addition to mine linked, all saying the same.

 

[pov]

There is nothing in this that alters

but there's so many.... laws, I could use to respond or describe or debate... and lets say give an answer that is justifyable or just or lets say win this argument back... it,s pages upon pages upon pages or argument. if I concede I think … you are and have the ability to give a fish a better home then what it could have in the wild .. just like dogs.... to things such as lions... ect

but I am going to point out a few things firstly our other post about gas entering water … I am going to say it is obvious to a simple mind that water has a greater force/ bond then gas so it it is also obvious that the constant inside equalising co2 o2 is greater then the forces of gases entering the liquid …. why you ask do I have to point this out …
"henry's law" is what you would have learned at school … and if you have a decent open mind " balanced left wing-- right wing " you would know that laws are final. just like boyles model would be..
so what's so bad about winters formula, " it isn't describing the constant of waters o2 co2 equilibrium "

it is not a bad thing not to be able to understand so quickly the difference between a law, theory, formula ect and so on.

but it is the difference between somebody being called a radical ..
a right wing radical is an idiot just like a left wing radical. and more then idiot they are a danger to the community and are often incarcerated.

but for somebody who is not it gives you the ability to read and take in a statement , thesis and quickly discover the hidden truth or what point is trying to be put across...

so when you read about henry law if you were not an idiot you would see that the law pertains to a rule about the subject and not the environment. "

or should I just say that you are carrying on like a bit of a radical..
and missing the point...

 

[Colin_T]

Lets try to keep on topic please, and minimise the idiot and radical comments

 

[pov]

ok ,,,, so I don't think there is a resolved constant for whether or not you need a bubbler, it,s not impossible to calculate. you would have a constant on pure water which would involve maybe ten factors at most, then the constant would change with temperature and also salinity ect. it would be difficult to unravel.
Also in nature quite variable.
also fish or even plants decide for themselves from constants like these whether there in danger and need to start searching for sources of life. so this can be variable.
it,s two very long mathematical calculations to resolve this question for a proper answer.
maybe in short would be,... should you increase the temperature or ph of your water to increase the o2 when you see your fish starting to suffocate it,s an extremely quick an effective way of doing this. but it doesn't work . if your a fisherman and you have put a small fish in a shallow bucket of water you have seen it splash vigorously it is actually not only trying to escape but trying to create more o2 so it can survive.

Another thing is have you ever noticed that the world around you doesn't act science like ,water doesn't really move like a square and the air blows your hair all around. there is a good reason for this , in short it is about god verse science but there is also another logical answer for this phenomenon. which is about nature .
keeping an air bubbler around is a good idea because it really isn't that much of a scientific tool that is about laws. it,s has a lot more nature like effects that give aquarists benefits too.