Added Fish to Old Aquarium, Fish Acting Funny

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Hi everyone. Just registered and this is first post. Have a couple of ? and hoping you can help.

Background: Tank was set up several years ago, and all fish slowly died off, except for a 2 year old tetra. It has been my only fish for about the last year. Have bought a few in the 6 months before, but they too slowly died. Just added fish last night (still had my 1 tetra remaining) and don't want to lose them. I now have 5 tetras, 3 mollies, 3 platies, and 1 small pleco, not to mention several snails that have lived thru all this. This is all in a 20 gallon aquarium with an over the back filter, and there was a 50% water change done about an hour before the new fish were added.

This morning, I found 1 tetra dead and sticking to my filter intake. Thought I still had a thermometer, but couldn't find it so had to make a trip. Found my temp was running 82 so I turned temp back to about 76 and it slowly got there. I also bought a 5 in 1 test kit because I couldn't find my old water test kit. My findings were:
Nitrates about 40ppm (mg/L) Safe according to manufacturer
Nitrites 0
GH (Total Hardness) very hard about 280ppm
KH (Total Alkalinity) about 240 and also high
pH alkaline at about 8.0
Could not find my ammonia test so I wil have to get one of those too.
I am running on well water that has a limestone base. This probably explains the hard water condition. There is no chlorine in this system. I did put about 3 teaspoons of Stress Coat in their water earlier today.

After finding out about the hard water and high pH, I bought a pH Decreaser along with 3 gallons of distilled water. When I got home, I drained 3 gallons of water and added the distilled. I also added about 1 teaspoon of pH Decreaser to lower the pH level. After doing all this and waiting a couple of hours, I retested the water and found:
GH had dropped to about 200
KH had dropped to about 180
pH had dropped to about 7.6

About the time I did all this, the fish were acting a little funny so I thought I should go ahead and do it to help them out. In the last several hours, I have a pregnant platy that is pretty much hovering upright, but has her body at about a 45 degree angle facing upward. She does this even when she moves around. I have a molly that is spending most of it's time laying on the rocks, or hovering very close to them. When I feed them, they all eat as normal, but the platy stays at her 45 degree upward angle, no matter what. I have also noticed a white spot on the molly's left side just behind the end of it's gill. I can't really tell if it looks like a bite or just a spot. I have also noticed my old tetra is swimming up to a new tetra like it is ready to attack. When it does, the new tetra turns flat on it's side and swims that way until the old one leaves.

What should I do about the platy and the molly? Is it normal for a platy to do that when she is prego? How will I know when to put her in a breeder box? I am also wondering if the molly is pregnant, but can't really tell.

Thanks everyone in advance. I want to get to the bottom of my problems and be able to keep some fish for a long time like I did once before.

Edit: Almost forgot, I did add a couple of the C-100 pillows a couple of hours ago just in case of ammonia, but I don't really smell anything, and the water is clear as a bell. I remember having ammonia problems a few years ago, and found these things worked wonders at removing ammonia.
 
hi boatboy - welcome :D

first thoughts are - if the lfs had a pH of neutal (7.0) or there abouts then the new fish would have come into your tank which had a pH of 8.0 which would have created a real problem for them - probably enough difference to have caused the problems you've been having. imo leave the water pH where it is for now and if you are going to decrease the pH do it very gradually so as not to cause a further pH shock to the fish. If you up the aeration, feed nothing or very little for a few days till the fish are looking better and maybe turn the lights off in the tank for 24 hrs so as not to disturb the fish. Keep an eye on them as they may well develop something like ich. If you can get an ammonia test kit and monitor that as well as the nitrite as you may get an ammonia spike from adding the fish to the tank...........and keep posting with what is happening.

good luck
sue
 
Just an update.

They seem to be doing better this morning. The molly is up swimming around like nothing happened. What time I have seen the pregnant platy swimming around, she has been swimming level. She has taken to laying on the rocks now, but seems to be ok.

Another question. As I now know, we have a problem with hard water (after doing the water test) and it is obvious by the white scale buildup around the hood area. I do want to gradually get my pH level down, but I don't know how easy it will be since my water is so hard. What is the best way to soften the water? I have thought about doing another partial water change of about 5 gallons and replacing the water taken out with distilled water to remove some of the metal/minerals in the water. Is this a good idea, or is there a better way of doing it?

Also, I have a live plant that was put in the tank a couple of years ago. At first, it seemed to grow, then it would wilt or seem to almost die. It would then start to grow again, and then it was like it didn't die, but stayed wilted like it was missing something. I am just wondering if the pH level or the hard water could be causing it. I would like to add more plants to the tank as a protector or shielding area for laying eggs and to give the fry a better chance. I would like to have something similar to short grass so it wouldn't appear to take over the whole tank, but am open to suggestions. Thanks again.
 
cool :D so good to hear that your fish are looking better. I'm not sure on making hard water softer but will do some research and get back to you. From what I remember soft water (which I have) is easy to make hard, but hard water can be a bit difficult to make and keep soft.

Although many fish are tank raised and are used to living in water that has a different pH from what they would have in the wild - your water with a pH of 8.0 is relatively high. IMO sometimes when you have extremes like that it is easier to choose fish that are happy living in the water you have.....means not having to worry about trying to alter and control your pH and having fluctuations of pH which can be very hard on the fish.

hopefully someone will have had experience with this and can give you first hand knowledge.

sue
 
Boatboy,

Glad things are getting sorted. Before you start to try & adjust PH have a read of this thread. 9 times out of 10's playing with water parameters causes more problems than it solves.....

Water

HTH.... :)
 

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