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Activated Carbon, Or Carbon & Zeolite?

Katty

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I've been thinking about getting a big container of carbon and a reusable media bag for my filter to save money, rather than buying the pre-made carbon bags. I've been looking around and see that I can choose carbon, or carbon and zeolite mixed together. I was just going to get carbon, but I was wondering if carbon and zeolite together is any better.

Just fyi, the tank is fully cycled and lightly planted, gets weekly water changes, and there is a moderate amount of tannins leeching from a piece of driftwood in there.
 
To really save money, I wouldn't use either.
 
But is saving money better than using it at all? I'm not broke, just cheap.
 
You really dont need carbon unless you are getting rid of meds or tannins like in your case
 
like a lot of people have said
you dont really need carbon unless
you are removing meds or tanning's
i used to use a thing called a nitra-sorb
and chem-sorb i dont know whether you can
still get them or not anymore but they were
good as you could recharge them by storing them
is salt water and use them over and over again
they removed nitrite nitrate and and phosphate as well
if i can remember

http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/scienceinside/nitra%20zorb%20science%20paths.pdf
 
If your tank is cycled, you don't want to be putting zeolite in there as that absorbs the ammonia your bacteria are feeding on. Just fill the space in your filter with more sponge/ceramics :good:
 
If your tank is cycled, you don't want to be putting zeolite in there as that absorbs the ammonia your bacteria are feeding on.

Put the zeolite as the last stage of filtration so that bacteria has first dibs on ammonia. Plants also absorb ammonia, does that mean we shouldn't have them either?
Carbon is also useful in a high-tech planted tank because it can absorb metabolic wastes from plants that can go on to promote algae or unsightly surface scum.

However, water changes do both these jobs as well :D
 
I guess I'll just get some more ceramic pieces and throw them in there since the general consensus is I don't need carbon, let alone zeolite, anyways.
 
But is saving money better than using it at all? I'm not broke, just cheap.

As above, the reason I posted what I do is because neither are necessary, and both can actually be worse for the tank than better.

For example, consider the tannins that you are removing with the carbon actually can do your tank good. They are large complex organic chemicals that bind up with heavy metals easily. This does two good things. One, a bound-up heavy metal is significantly less toxic for fish than an un-bound one. And, the amount of heavy metals in the water that is safe for some fish, is much less than what is safe for humans. And, water companies only have to make water that is safe for humans. Copper, for example, is typically lethal at fish around 1/100th the concentration it is needed for humans to taste copper in their water -- and the concentration when humans can taste the copper still isn't lethal to humans. Now, most water doesn't have a lot of copper in it, but it is one example. And, having tannins in the water is just a nice extra safety net to bind up a stray heavy metal or three that may get into your water. Two, a bound-up heavy metal is easier for plants to take in when they need micronutrients. It is kind of a neat cycle -- a plant dies, releases its tannins, the tannins bind up micronutrients so that the alive plants can take them in easier. In addition, some fish spawning can be triggered by tannins. So, all in all, I just don't see why you would want to take them out.

As above, the zeolite that absorbs ammonia and other nitrogenous waste, does almost nothing but starve the cycling bacteria and live plants you may have in your tank. Most aquatic plants prefer to take in ammonia as their source of nitrogen, and if you don't have plants, then most of us culture a colony of ammonia and nitrite consuming bacteria. If the plants or bacteria don't get food, they die. And, then when all the zeolite is fully saturated (a process that happens very quickly, 24-48 hours typically), they isn't anything alive to consume that ammonia and protect your fish from ammonia poisoning.

So, as I said, to really save money, I wouldn't use either.

In fact, I take extra work to remove carbon from my filters. The penguin filter pads for my HOB come with carbon inside them. I take a utility knife and cut open the pads and shake as much carbon out of the pad as I can. As I wrote above, I don't want carbon taking up good things in my water, and since I don't have to worry about replacing the carbon, a filter lasts around 6 to 12 months for me.

Finally, it is a good idea, as other posters wrote, to have some carbon and maybe even zeolite around for emergencies. It is nice to put carbon back into the filter when finishing a course of medication. Water changes will dilute the medication, but won't ever get all of it, but the carbon can adsorb the rest. And, if you live in an area where you may have long power outages, it may be nice to have zeolite on hand to be able to hand in a stocking in your tank to minimize ammonia if needed. But, neither is needed at all for normal operation. And, that really saves you money.
 
I am wondering if you have heard of Zeolite or have any experience using it in clinic. I would recommend reading the info on this website Zeolite.
 
I use carbon in my tank where my wood doesn't release tannins anyway, along with Seschem purigen! Purigen has done amazing things to my water clarity and it can be recharged with bleach, it's great for cheap people like me. I only use the carbon when my water isn't crystal clear, but not all the time.
 
I have carbon in at the moment because it came with my new filter but I have heard I shouldn't just keep it in all the time? it has a lifespan right? so after about 4 weeks i should just take it out because the toxins can leak back out or is this just lies?
 
That's the general rule I follow when using carbon. Several weeks then remove it. Then add as/when required, I.e. after using treatments, etc.

That's the general rule I follow when using carbon. Several weeks then remove it. Then add as/when required, I.e. after using treatments, etc.
 

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