A Little Puzzled

Kiarra

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This last Wednesday, I was at the pet store that usually carries pretty healthy Bettas. I've bought a lot of Bettas from that store, and never really had a problem with their health, other than a few severely injured ones, but they came that way from the shipper. Anyway, I was looking at the Bettas and found one dark blue Crowntail that was up at the top of his cup, all of fins clamped close to his body, except for the anal fin, which hung loosely and rather carelessly beneath him. His color was good---very vivid dark blue. He's quite small---the body is less than an inch long, and he's very narrow. His fins are still small and growing in. He was also extremely skinny, though I know this store feeds their Bettas regularly. The fins were intact except for a large hole located centrally within the dorsal. He was, however, quite unresponsive to stimuli.

I inquired about him of the store's owner, and he said that the boy just hadn't had his water changed, and that was probably what was wrong with him. The timeframe since last water change is likely a boggling 10-14 days, he said. In a standard little Betta cup (not even the big ones they're using at Walmart and Petco these days).

Well, I couldn't leave him there, so I purchased him.

Fast forward to today. He's still alive, much to my surprise. He eats little of what I give him (I'm feeding him HBH Frog & Tadpole Bites right now, because they are softer than the HBH Betta Bites that he tries to eat and then rejects). I have tried giving him frozen bloodworms and brine shrimp, but he doesn't eat them with any particular gusto, either. He lives next to another Betta, and usually hangs out on the side with the other Betta, taking great comfort in his companion's presence. He eats even less when I block his view of his buddy, so I'm keeping him near his buddy for a while. His anal fin still hangs loose from his body, but he can move it. His ventrals are no longer clamped constantly to his body, and neither is his dorsal fin, which still has a very large (though not getting worse) hole in it. But he holds his caudal fin straight out behind him, stiffly, rarely moving it at all. When he "flares" (I deliberately induced him to this, as he does not flare at all at his companion), he merely stretches out his dorsal, anal, and ventral fins and wiggles his body. He does not extend or spread his tail at all, and has not the entire time I've had him. He also does not puff out his gils at all, nor seem to make an attempt to do so.

He swims fine, and is generally a curious fish, though he needs to rest constantly, because he doesn't seem to have much energy in him. He does not float (in the bad way), nor does he appear to tip on his side at all. His color is still a very vivid dark blue. There are no odd spots or discolorations on his body at all. His eyes look normal. There is no fungus, no ich, no velvet. No signs of dropsy.

So my question is...what could POSSIBLY be wrong with this fish? I'm out of ideas on this one.
 
Still looking for anyone who might have a clue what's going on with this fish....
 
I will leave a link to the hole in the fin, the skinness is more of a concern, what does it look like when the fish goes to the toilet, does his tummy look bloated or sunken in.
http://www.mushi.petfish.net/finrot.html
 
Yeah, I thought about finrot, but it looks more like someone took a hole punch to his dorsal. The edges of the hole are not discolored, and the hole is not getting larger. I'm giving him the extra-good treatment I would give to a fish with finrot, though. I keep his water obsessively clean.

He's now decided that he likes frozen bloodworms (as of last night). He wouldn't eat them before, but he eats them like a pig now.

He doesn't look sunken or bloated at all. He just looks like he hasn't been eating.

He's even so happy right now that he's blowing random bubbles in his tank, but he still doesn't unclamp that tail. He's gotten pretty active now. As I type, he's exploring his jar and wiggling his butt at his friend.

As for his fecal matter, I can't tell what color it is because he's getting Methylene Blue in the offchance this is a bacterial problem. But it's not long or stringy, and has the same overall appearance as a normal Betta.
 
Salt is usually a good idea to keep infection away. Not a lot though. Have you tried Melafix? That might help the hole.
 
All my Bettas get aquarium salt in their tanks, so we're good on that front.

I'm not too worried about the hole, because at the edges it's really starting to look like it's healing. What has me really concerned is the tail he refuses to move, and if this could be indicative of a problem that may turn fatal. I can't even examine his tail very well, because he holds it so tightly clamped that, if it weren't for his dorsal and anal fins, I wouldn't even know he was a Crowntail.

The way he holds his tail is especially strange to me, because both dorsal and anal fins are extremely mobile now, and, other than his tail, he seems to be very much on the mend. He's not even particularly lethargic today.
 
When he's not swimming around checking things out, is he laying down with his fins all clamped up?

You don't see any spots on him at all, like discoloration under his skin - particularly around the eyes or anything do you?

Wow, this is a tough one.
Hmm...
 
When he's not swimming checking things out, he is invariably found at the top of his tank, on the side where his friend is. The anal fin at this time is usually hanging loosely from his body, the caudal is clamped very tight, and the dorsal is held normally in relation to all the other Bettas I have.

The only mark on him that I see at all is that hole in his dorsal fin. I can't see any hint of discoloration on him. But he's a VERY dark, vivid royal blue, so it would be hard to see any dark discoloration on him.

He's making a nest right now (a crappy one, but it's starting to stick together), and I got my first flare out of him. His gils are FINALLY extending as they should during a flare. Dorsal comes straight up and out in a fairly impressive display, anal stiffens. All as normal. EXCEPT he won't unclamp that tail for a full flaring display. It unclamps a little bit, so that I can tell he's a Crowntail, but no more than that.

I've spent a long time staring at him, going over all I know and all I can get my hands on, and I STILL can't figure out what is wrong with his tail. He seems to be improving otherwise.
 
Well, it sounds odd - but could it be this one fin is sort of his last means of security, and that he's not yet quite ready to spread it out? I know that sounds ridiculous, but I can't really imagine what else it could be. If everything else is progressing along okay I'd just keep an eye on it.

That's a stumper. :/
 
Honestly, I'm surprised he's still alive. He looked pretty close to dead when I first saw him, and I expected him to go within the first day or two.

Amazing what a little clean water, aquarium salt, and (to a lesser extent) Methylene Blue can do, huh?

I thought at first that the tail may be stuck together or something, that he couldn't move it. But he can. He just DOESN'T, except in an extremely limited fashion, like he's stretching it out a little bit, but never a full extension.

I'm still puzzled. If anyone has ANY ideas, I'd like to hear them.
 
Kiarra said:
Amazing what a little clean water, aquarium salt, and (to a lesser extent) Methylene Blue can do, huh?
Isn't it amazing?

I'll try to do some digging around on the web tomorrow at work (Anything I can do to get out of documenting a content management system :rolleyes: ) and see if I can come up with anything.
 
Thanks, BM. Maybe you can find something I didn't see. A fresh pair of eyes never hurts!

I do think whatever is wrong with him is related to his 10-14 days in a very small cup like this one:

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with no water changes!

In fact, his cup was as dirty as that one, too. So I'm thinking it has SOMETHING to do with the lack of clean water. I thought maybe bacterial infection, but he doesn't have any of the other symptoms. :dunno:
 
Hmm, I don't see anything that would point to something illness-wise either.

The only other thing I can really think of is that he might have been injured while in transit. Little Lucky had his tail completely severed off, so your little guy having suffered an injured tail isn't out of the question. It could be that if it is an injury, there might be nerve damage, or it could just hurt him now, and need to heal?

I just spent some time trying to find anything on it, but no one talks about anything but completely clamped fins (all of them, not just one).

Hrmph. :/
 
Injury's a possibility, definitely. I just wish he'd spread his tail just a LITTLE, so I could see if there were any physical defects in it. I haven't seen any, but all I can see are the pretty Crowntail ends (he really has fabulous Crowntail ray branching).
 
Well, I guess just keep hoping that eventually he'll spread em out for you to see.
If he's loosening up on other things maybe he'll come around with that, too.
Let me know if anything changes with him and I'll let you know if I find anything.
 

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