A Friend Wants Fish, But What Should He Get?

Because your friend is a newbie is probably best to stick to hardy fish which are not going to all imediately die off at the slightest sign of water quality issues etc- i trust you will explain to explain the basics of cycling tanks and maintaining a clean tank and checking the health of your fish etc :).

Hardy small shoaling fish which can go in a 15-30gal i can think of are;

Danios (zebra, leopard, pearl danio's etc- they're all hardy very active little shoaling fish)
Bloodfin tetras
Black neon tetras
Cherry barbs
Glolight tetras
Penguin tetras
White cloud mountain minnows
Black or White skirt tetra's


With small plecos, i have personally found clown plecos to be very robust little plecos and they grow to a small size however they do need driftwood/bogwood to eat and good filtration in the tank (their poop is like sawdust). Albino and peppered corys have also also been very reliable fish too in my experience.

To add colour and friendliness to the tank, you can't go wrong with common livebearers, however i would personally advise platys over guppys as platys seem to be hardier in my opinion- swordtails are also good though. The downfall with mixed gender groups of common livebearers is that they will produce fry, however there are many ways you can deal with fry. With swordtails, you can only keep one male in the tank unless you have a very large tank and an exceptional amount of females per male (like 15 or more), its best to either have 2-3females or more to a male, or just a trio or more of females and no males. If you opt for platys you can keep more than one male in the tank as long as you have 2-3females per male or have an all-male group of at least 5-7males or more, or you could just have an all-female group of platys etc.
The good thing in particular about fish like platys and swordtails is that they come in almost every colour and patterning imaginable so are great fish if you want friendly inquisitive and colourful fish in the tank- unlike a lot of other fish like danios and tetras, they actually notice you and will come to the front of the tank to great you excitedly etc :good: .

Guppys are not as hardy as they used to be and tend to be riddled with diseases now days while mollys often end up needing slightly brackish tanks to survive and thrive in the long term, however if your friend opted for a slightly brackish tank then he wouldn't be able to keep any of the tetra's, danio's, minnows or catfish etc i have listed so far as they all don't cope well in salted tanks in the long term.

Gourami's are good for adding colour to tanks but they are not the hardiest of fish and you do need to take into consideration the genders of the gourami's you have as the males can be quite agressive towards each other and other fish- gourami's and fish like female betta's thrive best in heavily planted tanks (preferably with plants that grow all the way to the waters surface or has floating plants etc) with gentle current so would be ideal though if that is the sort of tank your friend is aiming for.
 
one or two lovely dwarf snakeheads like the Channa Assam or Channa bleheri, well hardy fish nice bit of character and easy to look after as they eat pretty much eat everything :good:
 
thanks Tokis, yeah I've explained the basics and he seems happy with it all, unlike most my mates he takes what i say and understands, lol.

I know what you mean about guppies, ive never had anything good come from them. And Danios seem to be very poor lately as well, I bought a shoal of 7 about 8 months ago and with 3 days 2 died randomly, then 3 died from dropsy and 12 months later they were all gone. and my tank was fine as well.

I think I'll give him that list of fish so he can research them himself, as i think he'll learn more from him reading the info himself instead of me preaching about them :D :good:
 
Tell him to consider Paradise fish/Gourami if he insist on getting a betta.
They're very similar to bettas.
-Just as aggressive.
-Breed in the same manner
-Can be kept in the same water conditions and can adapt well to others.
-Their tail grow nice and long as they mature.

Although they're not as nice as some of the fancy/show bettas they have just as much personality if not more.

A good thing is you can house males & females together unlike bettas.
They pretty damn hardy too.
Their colors range from red,blue,black & albino.
Be careful with black as they're known to be the most aggressive of them all even though they're the hardest to find.


I keep bettas as well but most have their own small tanks.
I just setup a 30G planted for a male & female & it seem to be ok for now.
Most males will pester a female to the point of death.
In this case he doesn't seem to mind her.

Don't keep bettas & guppies together.
Bettas will probably kill the guppies.
Or the guppies will nip a "friendly" bettas fins.
 
Their colors range from red,blue,black & albino.
Be careful with black as they're known to be the most aggressive of them all even though they're the hardest to find.

I dont know where you got that information but its not true.

temperament is dependent on the fish, but the most aggressive betta splenden type is plakat.

As I've said I dont need advice on the care for fish, I'm very good with that, just a list of fish is what im after, if you look at my profile, (at my stocking lists) you'll see that I myself am not a beginner in any way shape or form really.
 
Just thought I would say, the fish you have doesn't reflect your skill level. I could walk into a fish shop, come out with say a arowana, TSN and 10 high quality discus. Doesn't mean I know everything about them, just that I have the money to buy them.

Though I'm sure you know what your doing from your forum posts, just thought I'd say, same as post counts, they don't reflect knowlege.
 
Just thought I would say, the fish you have doesn't reflect your skill level. I could walk into a fish shop, come out with say a arowana, TSN and 10 high quality discus. Doesn't mean I know everything about them, just that I have the money to buy them.

Though I'm sure you know what your doing from your forum posts, just thought I'd say, same as post counts, they don't reflect knowlege.

lol that is very true :D I didnt think about that :blush:

I keep saying it as dont want people wasting their own time writing pages and pages about how to feed a corydora etc as this information is irrelevant atm as i know that care of most of the commonly available species.

Sorry fi i caused offence with that, sometimes i get a little haslted here in work and then dont think straight when i type
 
Gold barbs are great little fish, very active and very colourful.A shoal of around 10-15 adults would look great, with some sort of centerpeice fish, maybe keeping to the theme, a gold gourami.I much prefer pearl/moonlgiht gouramis though.

Gouramis can be hardy, my moonlight gourami and blue gouramis were very hardy, both lived to over 10 years!They went through hell, they were passed down from family, they lived in a 40 gal with a 14' iredescent shark catfish, 2 silver dollars, 2 blue gouramis and a plec, they had been in that a good 6 years when I got them :crazy: )Really p***** me of though, yesterday my poor moonlight gourami died, somehow there was not enough oxygen in the water, I saw a few fish gasping at the top, then him at the bottom, along with a little guppie :( After a water change all was fine though.
 
Their colors range from red,blue,black & albino.
Be careful with black as they're known to be the most aggressive of them all even though they're the hardest to find.

I dont know where you got that information but its not true.

temperament is dependent on the fish, but the most aggressive betta splenden type is plakat.

As I've said I dont need advice on the care for fish, I'm very good with that, just a list of fish is what im after, if you look at my profile, (at my stocking lists) you'll see that I myself am not a beginner in any way shape or form really.
Actually the black paradise falls into a completely category the the regular Paradise Fish.
Different specie,different name.
They weren't bred to get this color but are this way cause of different environment & diet.

Regular Paradise fish:
Macropodus opercularis

Black Paradasie Fish:
Macropodus spechti

Pla Kats are only know to be the most aggressive since they're the ones used to fight.
They're also where splendens were bred for to make them more appealing for the "hobbyist".
I have pla kats and they're just as aggressive as my other splendens.
Show breeds like CT's, HM's, are not as hardy since they're bred to look pretty but are aggressive just the same.


I like to think I know all about "Labyrinth fish" just short of "expert" status IMO. :D
Around 20 year experience with these guys.
Not really a "newbie" as my name would imply. :hyper:
 
ah right, i thought you ment black splendens not paradise,

Arent paradise temperate though and prefer lower temps?
 
ah right, i thought you ment black splendens not paradise,

Arent paradise temperate though and prefer lower temps?
They can tolerate higher temp.
I keep mine @ 78F

Toleration, and what is natural is different though ;)
lol, but saying that most community tanks arent natural are they, from the tyoes of fish together the the luminous gravel and little air propelled divers that so many people have. lol :hyper:
 

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