60 Fowlr

[Ace Of Spades]

Ok, im thinking of starting a marine aquarium, I wondered how much it would cost (excluding the tank) for this to be set up, i only want two clowns, and maybe some really easy corals that they can host (maybe a pipefish also) Just wondered how much it would cost and apart from saltinity levels are they hard to maintain

tank = 60Litres

 

[SkiFletch]

FOWLR tanks are definitely not difficult to maintain. Just a word of caution, pipefish and clownfish really don't mix well. Clowns are too boisterous for pipefish

As far as cost... Well I can't really help there since I'm not from your side of the pond, but take into account the fact that your LR will be your biggest outlay (probably around 60-80 GBP) and work from there with the rest of your equipment.

 

[Ace Of Spades]

FOWLR tanks are definitely not difficult to maintain. Just a word of caution, pipefish and clownfish really don't mix well. Clowns are too boisterous for pipefish

As far as cost... Well I can't really help there since I'm not from your side of the pond, but take into account the fact that your LR will be your biggest outlay (probably around 60-80 GBP) and work from there with the rest of your equipment.

lol ok!, i might try it soon as i have a spare 500£

 

[@ombomb]

I'd say more like £100 for the rock, the rest you could get off ebay fairly cheaplpy as you won't need high lighting / water movement.

Could probably do it all for £250 for a tank that size.

 

[Ace Of Spades]

I'd say more like £100 for the rock, the rest you could get off ebay fairly cheaplpy as you won't need high lighting / water movement.

Could probably do it all for £250 for a tank that size.

is that including the live rock?
and what would one easy coral be for the clowns to host

 

[@ombomb]

including the rock with a bit of bargain hunting online, but if you're going to start thinking about corals then the price will go up

there's no guarantee the clown will host it anyway and it's certainly not vital to the health of the fish

 

[Ace Of Spades]

including the rock with a bit of bargain hunting online, but if you're going to start thinking about corals then the price will go up

there's no guarantee the clown will host it anyway and it's certainly not vital to the health of the fish

Oh, I thought it was would it be possible to just start out as a FOWLR then slowly upgrade it later....
what sets me back on these is dont know what equipment i need, i need someone to write me a list like:
Sump?
Filter?
Powerhead?
Im not sure what yo buy...
[URL="http/www.seapets.co.uk/product-details/s...egory/1180.html"]http/www.seapets.co.uk/product-details/s...egory/1180.html[/URL] is the tank im using, will i be able to upgrade lights ect, or remove the lid and stick one of those overhead lights that attack to the side of the tank?

im thinking of purchasing http/www.seapets.co.uk/product-details/s...tegory/844.html instead for the FOWLR

 

[ox5477]

With fowlr, the main thing is to have adequate filtration to take care of the bioload. For the fish you specified, the bioload won't be that high, so prob a single powerhead (maybe a maxi-900) would be adequate. Lighting can be a simple single tube that comes in most hoods as nothing will need high light.

You won't need a sump either unless maybe if you go with a more predatous fish. A pred will have a much higher bioload as usuallyt hey are messy eaters and cause a lot of food bits to be dispersed through the tank. You would def want to get a skimmer too if you were going with a pred tank.

If you have enough lr, then you won't need a standalone filter. But you could still have one like a hob filter as I have for a little dark refugium for benficial sponges and fans to grow. They will apreciate the dark and secluded housing with a constant water flow to feed them

 

[Ace Of Spades]

With fowlr, the main thing is to have adequate filtration to take care of the bioload. For the fish you specified, the bioload won't be that high, so prob a single powerhead (maybe a maxi-900) would be adequate. Lighting can be a simple single tube that comes in most hoods as nothing will need high light.

You won't need a sump either unless maybe if you go with a more predatous fish. A pred will have a much higher bioload as usuallyt hey are messy eaters and cause a lot of food bits to be dispersed through the tank. You would def want to get a skimmer too if you were going with a pred tank.

If you have enough lr, then you won't need a standalone filter. But you could still have one like a hob filter as I have for a little dark refugium for benficial sponges and fans to grow. They will apreciate the dark and secluded housing with a constant water flow to feed them

So Ok Im going to list what I need tell me if i nee anything else:
Marine Salt
maxi-900 - Powerhead
Skimmer - But isnt necessary
My 15 Gal Tank or 21 Gal if I decide to go with that other one...
Live Rock
Hydrometer?? I think
Refractor.

Anything else, or anything I dont need on that list....if you would like to try and help me over msn would be apreciated csmax2003@hotmail.com is what you can add me on thanks.... if not just post here

I wanted a pipe fish like http/www.fishforums.net/content/forum/21...Mini-Adventure/ just wodnered if it would fit?

 

[ox5477]

well biggest thing, is a heater. Your gonna wanna keep the tank around 80 to 82F (27 to 28C). Get a powerful enough heater as you don't have to worry about heat from an ordinary light fixture adding energy to the water and therefore all heat will come from the heater.

Hydrometer is the easiest and cheapest investment for measuring salt content. It also can be slightly innacurate but for a basic set-up, the innacuraccy that exists will not matter ( I use a hydrometer )

As for the pipefish, take ski's advice. I know little about these fish but know they are related to seahorses and like to be mellow and would agree that the clowns would be a little too much for them.

Would recommend the larger tank as the larger the water volume, the less chance for bad things to occur.

 

[Ace Of Spades]

well biggest thing, is a heater. Your gonna wanna keep the tank around 80 to 82F (27 to 28C). Get a powerful enough heater as you don't have to worry about heat from an ordinary light fixture adding energy to the water and therefore all heat will come from the heater.

Hydrometer is the easiest and cheapest investment for measuring salt content. It also can be slightly innacurate but for a basic set-up, the innacuraccy that exists will not matter ( I use a hydrometer )

As for the pipefish, take ski's advice. I know little about these fish but know they are related to seahorses and like to be mellow and would agree that the clowns would be a little too much for them.

Would recommend the larger tank as the larger the water volume, the less chance for bad things to occur.

Hmm ok any tank mates for the clown fish, maybe a cleaner shrimp or one of those little fish that are purple and yellow, dont know their name , anyone im thinking of using my other tank and i can take the hood right off and im going to add these light for the marine effect...http/www.seapets.co.uk/product-details/stkcode/151242/category/1292.html, will this be ok so the updated list is:

Marine Salt
Live Rock (Cured)
Powerhead
Hydrometer
Powerful Heater
Those Lights
15 Gallon Tank
Marine Sand

Sound about righT?

 

[thomas10051988]

yeah good list but make sure you add a test kit to that

those purple and yellow fish are called royal grammas and yes they will be compatiable as will the shrimp

 

[Ace Of Spades]

yeah good list but make sure you add a test kit to that

those purple and yellow fish are called royal grammas and yes they will be compatiable as will the shrimp

Ahh ok great, I hope this dosent kill the bank account thing is im thinking of fiji live rock and that more expensive

going to style this like a "drop off" hopefully

 

[ox5477]

Yes, forgot to mention the test kit as thomas mentioned. Thank you

Sounds good with the stocking. Maybe a smaller species of goby would be a good personality addition to an already boistorous stocking too (My clown and Cleaner shrimp follow me around when moving in front the tank and almost seem to pay attention when I talk to them. Of course they are looking for food but it's still fun for me.

With the drop off style, you may create "deadspots" in the back of the wall where the drop off starts and this will be a hard area to clean. Ski actually had his first tank it looked like the drop off coming from the back left corner. It looked amazing but when he upgraded, he made sure it moved the rock away from the glass to increase flow and allow for a cleaning magnet to pass by. Just a few words of advice

 

[Ace Of Spades]

Yes, forgot to mention the test kit as thomas mentioned. Thank you

Sounds good with the stocking. Maybe a smaller species of goby would be a good personality addition to an already boistorous stocking too (My clown and Cleaner shrimp follow me around when moving in front the tank and almost seem to pay attention when I talk to them. Of course they are looking for food but it's still fun for me.

With the drop off style, you may create "deadspots" in the back of the wall where the drop off starts and this will be a hard area to clean. Ski actually had his first tank it looked like the drop off coming from the back left corner. It looked amazing but when he upgraded, he made sure it moved the rock away from the glass to increase flow and allow for a cleaning magnet to pass by. Just a few words of advice

Hmm ko ill go with a regular setup, do I need to buy a magnet aswell!??!

this is so confusing arrrrg! lol. Im setting up a africno cichlid tnak at same time