240L Planted Sa Cichlid Tank.

TheRedDarren

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Hey all,
thought I'd try my hand at a decent sized planted project, I have been keeping fish for a number of years on and off since I was a kid so although still very much a novice, I'm not quite green anymore!

So, after scouring gumtree for a month or so I found a Fluval 240l with external filter, plants, fish and all the usual accessories for a mere £100!

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Sounds perfect so there we go, had a bit of a mare getting it home after discovering it wouldn't fit in my car, so went back a few days later with plan b, then the man with a van let me down and never turned up the second time, the third time my brother and I stuffed everything into our two tiny hatchbacks and drove the 10 mile journey at about 3mph wincing at every creak and groan coming from the glass!

Finally home, quickly take the enormous plec and the RTBS to the LFS for credit, then back to start setting up... starting with a clean up...

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I was going to get a 3D background for it until I saw the prices of them! :hyper: so I settled for this, I know it's not great but it's dark, and seems to fit in with what I had envisaged. I stuck it on with some shower gel and squigied it into place with a credit card, worked well with no air bubbles.

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I deliberated for a while as to what substrate to use and finally settled on Carribsea eco-complete, I was put off using some of the other 'planted' substrates because people said they didn't aquascape well and clouded the water when disturbed. But given that I wanted to stack it quite deep at the back I used some cheap gravel in there to help with costs.

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Then capped with the good stuff...

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I'd been touring my local fish stores for a few weeks picking up bits of bogwood to soak ready, I ended up with about 7 pieces in the end, along with a few decent looking rocks which I'd also soaked to make sure they didn't alter the chemistry, I salvaged a lot of plants from the tank before the move, but also bought 3 lovely Java Ferns and 3 huge bunches of Crypt. Wendtii which all went in next.

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It took literally hours replanting what must have been about 50~70 individual plantlets, carlsberg helped though :S

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Now for the big fill, which was surprisingly quick seeing as there were three of us with 4~5 buckets running back and forth!

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This was about 6~7 weeks ago, stock list is, in order of being added...
6 neons,
6 neons a few days later,
4 bolivians a week later,
2 apistogramma pandurini and 10 neons,
10 Sterbai corydoras,
2 apistogramma cacatoudies,
8 ottocinclus.

All fish were added fairly quickly as I managed to keep the filter alive and supplemented it with additional bacteria in the form of various filter start additives. It worked well as the water stayed good with no ammo or nitrite readings.
Started having a few algae issues (as some of you know) but managed to find a balance one way and another and everything seems to be ticking along nicely...
 
Looking nice, I like the layout although I'd probably tuck the heater behind the ferns to hide it. Got any pictures with the stock in there??
 
Looking good mate :good: really good start, love the Tony crypts on the right and the lush ferns.
 
very nice!

You now have the challenge of keeping the plants alive. If this was my tank, i would remove that backing though, maybe opt for a plain black background. Very well done on the initial planting though :good:
 
Looking nice, I like the layout although I'd probably tuck the heater behind the ferns to hide it. Got any pictures with the stock in there??
Due to unforseen circumstances, and a short power lead... I couldn't get the heater over the other side. I had planned to obscure it with some more wood though. Not sure if I'm happy with the result though, may get an extension!

Looking good mate :good: really good start, love the Tony crypts on the right and the lush ferns.
Tony crypts..? Is that what they are!? Thanks dude :good:

Looking great mate, really like that! You've obviously got a good eye for scaping! :)
Thanks fella, I learnt a lot, and the next one will be a lot better! I obscured a lot of the scape with plants... you can see it if you hunker down right in front of the tank haha!

carlsberg helped though :S

'probably the best start to a Planted Sa Cichlid Tank' in the world
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Nuff said! /tiphat

very nice!

You now have the challenge of keeping the plants alive. If this was my tank, i would remove that backing though, maybe opt for a plain black background. Very well done on the initial planting though :good:
Yep, thats the trick now, I've run into a lot of problems so far (see here) but its all a learning curve, I think I'm winning!!

I re-did the right hand side as on the day I was getting fed up with the planting, and ended up just getting them in there, the heater was bugging me and the tank looked a bit out of balance so I added another bit of wood and bought a lovely Anubias and a handful of java moss...

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The left hand side... nice ferns and crypts.

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And the whole thing as it is tonight.

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Very very nice... the only problem i can see is the depth of substrate (unless im not seeing it correctly)... crypts can have some immense roots and you may find they will just uproot through the substrate.... apart from that, i love it.


Ignore me if it's stated in the thread but i never saw it lol..... are you using co2 or carbon source?... What ferts are you using?



Great start :good:
 
Very very nice... the only problem i can see is the depth of substrate (unless im not seeing it correctly)... crypts can have some immense roots and you may fine they will just uproot through substrate.... apart from that, i love it.


Ignore me if it's stated in the thread but i never saw it lol..... are you using co2 or carbon source?... What ferts are you using?



Great start :good:
Ah thanks dude, if anything the substrate could be too deep, I'm a bit worried I might get that stagnant substrate thing... its about 5" deep at the back.

I'm not using c02 as yet, but I've just got hold of a JBL 402 unit that I may well use on it, but was wondering if I should as all the plants are low maintenance and don't really need it...? What do you reckon?
I'm dosing Profito at about 30ml a week with extra iron at about 20ml a week, but I'm still experimenting with the dose levels.
 
Lol tiny crypts I meant to say, looks like Crypt Costata
 
Tony crypts are my favourite! Ha. Looks great, whatever the light green foreground plant is it's really nice. How well do the 4 apistos and the 4 rams all get on together in that space?
 
Lol tiny crypts I meant to say, looks like Crypt Costata
lol :rofl:

Tony crypts are my favourite! Ha. Looks great, whatever the light green foreground plant is it's really nice. How well do the 4 apistos and the 4 rams all get on together in that space?
There should be a facepalm smiley...

The apistos seem to get on ok, the male Cacatoides is defo the Norris of the tank, he doesn't mind the Rams so much but the Panda knows all about him, although he's just started to stand up for himself a bit more. They don't fight hard though, just a bit of bickering.
 
Very very nice... the only problem i can see is the depth of substrate (unless im not seeing it correctly)... crypts can have some immense roots and you may fine they will just uproot through substrate.... apart from that, i love it.


Ignore me if it's stated in the thread but i never saw it lol..... are you using co2 or carbon source?... What ferts are you using?



Great start :good:
Ah thanks dude, if anything the substrate could be too deep, I'm a bit worried I might get that stagnant substrate thing... its about 5" deep at the back.

I'm not using c02 as yet, but I've just got hold of a JBL 402 unit that I may well use on it, but was wondering if I should as all the plants are low maintenance and don't really need it...? What do you reckon?
I'm dosing Profito at about 30ml a week with extra iron at about 20ml a week, but I'm still experimenting with the dose levels.


You usually only get the substrate problems with sand... cec based substrates actually like to get the foods, fish waste trapped as once it decays it absorbs the end product or this is how i perceive it anyways lol. It's the substrate at the front which may eventually cause problem due to it appearing very shallow?

The co2 is totally upto you... if you can find the balance of non fluctuating co2, good fert regime etc without the use of it then things should be ok.

I find that using co2 and it being stable and having good flow aswell as a good fert regime... you are already 3 quarters of the way there in regards to a happy planted tank.

As the experts say, co2 is the route of most if not all problems in planted tanks, i find it harder balancing tanks without co2 than i do with co2.

Profito is a micro nutrient... you may be lacking eventually with the macro side of things... the fish and waste will help but on bigger tanks the stocking needs to be quite high to sustain heavily planted tanks. You would be better either adding a fert which is an 'all in one' or adding NPK on top of what your already dosing.

Whats the lighting in the tank?.... i would imagine T8's 36w x 2?. which would give a little over 1wpg?.. this is considered quite low, with this in mind you could actually opt for either.. co2 or not.

Balance i find is the key word... deciding on what you want from the tank and then deciding which route to go for.


This is my approach to planted tanks, more importantly is doing something which is going to suit you and your needs and that may be completely different to my approach... so many people have so many different ways of doing this but essentially everybody's tank has to come down to a virtually perfect balance.
 
I love the background...it looks so real with everything in the tank planted. its wonderful. I bet its a really nice tank to sit back an watch after a long day of work.
 
Very very nice... the only problem i can see is the depth of substrate (unless im not seeing it correctly)... crypts can have some immense roots and you may fine they will just uproot through substrate.... apart from that, i love it.


Ignore me if it's stated in the thread but i never saw it lol..... are you using co2 or carbon source?... What ferts are you using?



Great start :good:
Ah thanks dude, if anything the substrate could be too deep, I'm a bit worried I might get that stagnant substrate thing... its about 5" deep at the back.

I'm not using c02 as yet, but I've just got hold of a JBL 402 unit that I may well use on it, but was wondering if I should as all the plants are low maintenance and don't really need it...? What do you reckon?
I'm dosing Profito at about 30ml a week with extra iron at about 20ml a week, but I'm still experimenting with the dose levels.


You usually only get the substrate problems with sand... cec based substrates actually like to get the foods, fish waste trapped as once it decays it absorbs the end product or this is how i perceive it anyways lol. It's the substrate at the front which may eventually cause problem due to it appearing very shallow?

The co2 is totally upto you... if you can find the balance of non fluctuating co2, good fert regime etc without the use of it then things should be ok.

I find that using co2 and it being stable and having good flow aswell as a good fert regime... you are already 3 quarters of the way there in regards to a happy planted tank.

As the experts say, co2 is the route of most if not all problems in planted tanks, i find it harder balancing tanks without co2 than i do with co2.

Profito is a micro nutrient... you may be lacking eventually with the macro side of things... the fish and waste will help but on bigger tanks the stocking needs to be quite high to sustain heavily planted tanks. You would be better either adding a fert which is an 'all in one' or adding NPK on top of what your already dosing.

Whats the lighting in the tank?.... i would imagine T8's 36w x 2?. which would give a little over 1wpg?.. this is considered quite low, with this in mind you could actually opt for either.. co2 or not.

Balance i find is the key word... deciding on what you want from the tank and then deciding which route to go for.


This is my approach to planted tanks, more importantly is doing something which is going to suit you and your needs and that may be completely different to my approach... so many people have so many different ways of doing this but essentially everybody's tank has to come down to a virtually perfect balance.
Are you sure its not a complete fertiliser? Everything I've read seems to suggest it is?
Lighting is 2x T8's without reflectors, I added reflectors but immediately got hair algae problems, so took them off again.
Balance is the key, I 100% agree with that, finding it and maintaining it are what we strive for :good:

I love the background...it looks so real with everything in the tank planted. its wonderful. I bet its a really nice tank to sit back an watch after a long day of work.
Thanks fella, I think I watch it more than the TV!
 

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