10 gal tank set up

washuai

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Ok, I don't think there's anything wrong with this plan, but just to run it by everyone.
The tank:
  • 10 U.S. Gal glass tank
  • soft roundish gravel(it's not labled in the lfs, looks like a bunch of small smooth pebbles?, glass beads
  • made for aquarium ornament
  • air pump
  • air stone
  • basic carbon cartridge power filter (I'll know more when I get it)
  • basic heater
  • stick on outside thermometer
I intend to get a java fern and/or other such similar easy plant life
I'm going to use bio-spira for my tank cycling.
My proposed fish:
  • 6 panda cories
  • 1 male betta(hard to find young, but I want to find as young as I can, because it'll extend it's life span and it's fun to watch the color develop and fins fan out.
The cories are almost $6 ea., though :-/ All the other cories are $1-3cheaper, which disturbs me. I thought it said $4.48, but it says $5.48, now. I don't know if that means they went up after I asked about it, or if I saw/remembered wrong -_-.
 
Sounds alright until the fish part. You don't intend to use the fish until the cycle is complete do you?
If you use the fish before you will overload the environment and it will cause problems.
You will need to cycle the tank even if you use an accelerator.
 
I'm using the bio-spira for cycling.
BIO-Spira, containing several newly discovered patented and patent pending species of the actual nitrifying bacteria found in closed, freshwater aquatic systems is "biological filtration" in a bottle. It literally works overnight to prevent fish loss due to ammonia and nitrite toxicity. . .
BIO-Spira is, perhaps, the most important aquarium product ever as it will make "new tank syndrome" a thing of the past. Fish can be safely introduced to new aquariums within 24 hours rather than weeks…and kept alive and healthy through the initial critical period. The discovery of BIO-Spira and the potential positive impact on fishkeeping was the cover story in the July 2002 issue of Pet Product News, a leading pet industry trade journal.

I've also read various accounts accross the net, by people who have used bio-spira and only after that, did I ask the LFS(one that I know carries that manufacturers products) if they have it and they didn't say anything against the plan. I may not get the betta right away, but that's mainly, because I'm going to be picky about which betta I want.
 
If anyone has had bad experiences with bio-spira cycling (which isn't so much cycling as adding the proper bacteria right away, which is why you have to add the fish in the number you intend to keep them in, because if you don't add the fish, all the bacteria will die, because like any completely cycled tank, the bacteria will die if not fed enough), I would like to hear them. One of the reasons I thought the bio-spira would be good, is becuase I didn't want to cycle a tank with $6 ea. Cories. Bio-spira seemed to be a good all around solution, since I'm going to be gone the 10 more days than I was planning to, it seemed like this way, I'd still be able to have the tank happy on the original schedule.

I should have done this as an edit. Is there anyway I can delete this post and add it as an edit to my previous post? I was just thinking different train of thought. Also, I intend to watch the fish/water and if necessary change 20% of the water daily, if something goes wrong with this method (I don't know how often it happens, but if for some reason the bacteria.

I was originally going to do the 2 a week, fish addition, w/ mature gravel method. Just as a safety net, even w/ the bio-spira and because I don't want just genetically engineered or isolated bacteria in my tank(which actually if the bio-spira works), it'll still end up being the bio-spira's in the tank, because the whichever colony has more cells in the bacteria world will make it impossible for the other kind to live.

It is normal to have a small (<2 ppm) amount of ammonia or nitrate during the first few days after set-up. These concentrations are not harmful and will quickly drop to zero with proper use of BIO-Spira.
I guess that means it's a two-day cycle, with all your fish, so I should keep a vigilant eye on the aquarium. Although, because the aquarium will be where I am all the time and I love fish, I can't imagine not watching them a lot. My tank won't be a neglected one. People w/ super green water scare me, even if algae is something us humans like less than the fish.
Mine's going to be a twice a week, water-changed, once a week scrubbied, fish fed once or twice a day, only what they'll eat, the rest of the food removed or not fed to them, aquarium. Proper filter changes, etc. I dunno if the fish want me around a lot, but let me put it this way---I don't watch tv and I don't have cable. Even when I have tv, which I won't be getting anytime soon, I watch maybe a few hours a week. This means, the little signs, like behavioral changes, clamped fins, etc, will not get past me. The only things that might be in trouble is plants, while I've no problem giving them plenty of light and even getting a CO2 system, I've no interest in getting them specific substrates and bottles of chemicals I have to add to my tank(that kind of stuff seems like it has the potential to mess with my fish). I'm getting only the plants listed as put it in and forget it types, mainly, but if I see the plants doing badly, I want them for the fish, so I know I'll do whatever is necessary in the long run to keep them healthy, too.

I also neglected to mention, I want to add bacteria housing (like bio~max) to the filter I'm getting and if I can't, then I'm definitely getting the hagen aquaclear. I'd get a penguin, but I've heard stories of non-spinning bio-wheels, etc, etc and they cost too much(unless I want to wait 9-10 days to get shipped one) I've already been waiting years since last fish, because of various life factors, half a year, more recently, because even though they allow a 10 gal tank in the dorms, it's just not practical to move a fish 8 hours by car away every 10 weeks, when you're kicked out of them. From the time I decided to get a tank, because I can aford it, w/o a doubt, I've been waiting a month. It wasn't so bad at first, because I was so busy getting myself acclimated to my new surroundings, but ever since I've known that soon I'd have a tank, this last week and a half has been driving me crazy, because fish has been the only thing on my mind.
 
washuai said:
because like any completely cycled tank, the bacteria will die if not fed enough
Hi washuai, welcome

I've no experience with bio-spira - but what keeps the bacteria alive when its in the bottle?

I'm sure you'll get some more responses from peeps who have used this product...

Corries are lovely fish but might be better in a mature tank :/

Keep us up to date on how it goes :thumbs:




www :)
 
Well I know when not in use the bio-spira must be kept refrigerated. (since I walk, take the bus from the local fish store, I'm hoping they're not so sensitive, they won't be ok for less than half an hour). Maybe I'll ride my bike that day, so I know for sure, I'll get home faster, to put the bio-spira in the tank. I was just thinking it'd do just as well as all the groceries I buy, but I'll ask the LFS, to be sure. I'll know the stuff is working, because the water will cloud with the bacteria, for one. They probably also have a shelf life. I'm lucky that the LFS already had some ordered, because apparently getting shipments of the bio-spira(for the dealers) involves some difficulties and normally from day one, it takes a month to get them. I didn't ask the details of the ordering, it's not like I'm running a commerical aquarium (though that's something marine biologists have been known to do), or a fish store, so I don't need to know what they go through to get their shipment.
Corries are lovely fish but might be better in a mature tank
This concerns me, too. sometimes I read they are hardy, sometimes not. bio-spira has been sucessfully used on more delicate and costly fish, than mine, though, so that seems a good sign.
 
I can't comment on Bio-Spira... but I did basically what you're doing, with fewer cories. Instead of using Bio-Spira I used about a pound of gravel from an established tank. All the fish involved are perfectly healthy without the slightest sign of discomfort along the way.

Don't let all the "rules" make you overthink things and pull your hair out. Those fish all have relatively small bioloads. With all those water changes you'll be fine. You could add the cories 2 or 3 at a time if you're worried.

You've done more homework than most do. Trust yourself on it, I say.
 
Heya

Of all the "instant cycle" products, Bio-Spira is the only one I've heard anyhting good about :lol: so it should be ok. just add the fish slowly, and monitor the ammonia and nitrite levels. It said a 2ppm ammonia spkie could occur and if it does, I would recommend a water change to get it down to 1ppm. good luck :)

also I have found that panda cories are always more expensive than other types AND they are sold smaller :dunno: bit annoying but they are absolutely worth it. :)
 
Thanks Clutter. I don't mind them being sold smaller so much, because younger fish, usually translates into longer lifespan. I think they're cute and of course, I felt that it would be wrong to keep other sizes of cories in a 10 gal. My LFS is good about getting the types of fish and products, you want. I don't have their love of Under Gravel Filters and 2.5" and thicker beds of gravel. And their puffer tank disturbs me (strange odd and end assortment of lone brackish fish, + one spotted puffer obviously bullied into doing not well by the other robust healthy looking puffer). Next time I go in there, I might ask them, why they don't quarentine/hospitalize the one suffering puffer. Actually, I think it scares me that the puffers costs less than the panda cories. I found a conversation with the creator. They did the refrigeration to up shelf life in the pet stores and public aquariums get shipped the product overnight at room temperature(because they use it the next morning). I'll be just fine to take it to my house in usual methods. 6 fish in 10 gal is the sort of the recommended amount. But it does sound like there will be a sort of mini-cycle, it just won't be fish detrimental and that people shouldn't push the limits of the bio-spira to unreasonable limits. From the one panda specimen I saw in the store, why they had just one, when I hadn't seen any in there for a couple of weeks, I don't know, but assuming that's the general size they ship at, my 6 pandas will be half full size or smaller. Maybe, I got there just after someone bought all but that one panda. I do have to say, for a fish that prefers to school, the lone panda didn't seem to care in the least and was behaving as the cories, usually do. I'll see to it that the tank is set up and the water is the right temperature and all the equipment is working fine, first. Which I probably will do, before I even leave for my 10 days absence, XD. It does appear, I should add the fish the same day as I add the bio-spira, though. I think I was just getting confused because of the other mentions of 24-hours. the 24 hours refers to something else It's basically add bio-spira, if I had a bio-wheel, which I don't, watch it turn very green, then add fish. Then the day after I get back, bacteria/fish time. I definitely am not going to put the beta in there. Unless I want to put the beta in the 3 gal to get it cycled. The 3 gal is going to be my hospital/quarentine/fry tank, basically. Or if it's suitable, maybe a ghost shrimp breeding grounds, but I'm more worried about first things, first.

On another post, I was informed that stocking a tank using biospira, in terms of how many fish to stock, is like stocking after a fishless cycle. If I'm not shipped the test kits, I'm definitely going to be getting one. That's fine, though. I'm getting to start up for $15(not my money), just the cost of the fish and a few minor supplies and test kits make me feel better.
 
I think, just for my piece of mind, I'm going to use it bio-spira fishless first. That way, I'll know it'll be able to handle even more bioload and there will be near 0 chance of ammonia/nitrite unhappy fish. It should take me a week tops, using the bio-spira to get a zero reading, so that should be fine. Although, since I'll have the plants in there, they'll probably keep readings lower, than a pure test.

Just I won't get to monitor my fish 24/7 for the first few days, probably, because college will have started already -_-. Now, I wish I hadn't a bought the damn plane ticket. I'm having more of a vacation chilling here, than I will be, visiting my fams. I'd have plenty of time to get the tank happy, before I have the added stress of class and being on campus for long hours -_-

I think this is the most specific thing I've seen yet. Bio-spira instructions
Too bad it doesn't say anything about the numbers of fish. There's not enough to read up on this subject, so I can see what the majority consensus is.
 
never had cycled my tank had 3 mollies all die3 din one day but do to dying so close in order im sure it was the medicine .....i had had it set up for 2 weeks thats it though and my fish are fine the best way is to use live fish to build it up ....... never tryed but maybe get a few commets then do good water change and egt ur fish in
 

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